+ 27 Experiences with injuries, I wanna hear stories
AAS CATEGORY
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen synthesis and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS in general. (test only etc.)
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen synthesis
Percent increase ranked
EQ = 340%
Deca = 270%
http://m.ajs.sagepub.com/content/32/4/934.short
HGH alone = 250%
Primo = 180%
Anavar: with the short half life and hundreds of studies, definitely a viable option!
MUTA HEALING PROTOCOL
Frontload the TB-500 at 10-15mg a week for 4 weeks straight, beyond this point, shoot a maintenance dose of 8-10MG EOW for remainder. I use it on a bi-weekly basis and have noticed a major increases in my muscle shape, never had any more "tweaked muscles" and it has a definite "leaning" effect from what i have noticed. I have used it on and off for almost 3 years now. Long before people became privy to it and I can attest it surely works!
Dislocating my shoulder and tearing it in 3 spots, I attribute the TB-500 for the key benefactor for why I have not only recovered, by triumphed beyond my old limits.
shooting TB-500 IM into the injured site has given me instant alleviation to the pain, but is not permanent. I believe it has an anti-inflammatory property when it comes to site injections
IGF-LR3 (must be real, get your baselines tested and make sure its working) Site injection is just rumors due to the half life. Start at a moderate dose of around 40-50mcg post workout. I use take it with a 50g shake of Karbolyn/50g Protein mix. Shoot it in 2 week intervals. 2 weeks on, 3-4 weeks off. This will slow your natural IGF production, so I try to be conservative.
HGH (the dosages I suggest are speaking on behalf of human grade HGH)
This is something I don't ever feel the need to come off of. learn how to time it away from your carb baring meals and run a low maintenance dose 3IU ED, no days off. HGH alone promotes collagen synthesis x250% Its sides are slim to none, but price is high because of this. Make sure NOT to self diagnose your need for T3/T4.
TEST CYPIONATE 200mg/w 1-16
EQUIPOSISE 600mg/w 1-16
Deca 200mg/w 1-12
(please do not neglect the proper AI's, support, PCT etc)
Supplements I suggest you all should pick up
Wobenzyme
Tumeric
l-citrulline
l-arginine
Serrapeptase is currently being studied and used for a vast array of applications for human health and disease prevention. This includes therapeutic use for nerve damage, Multiple Sclerosis, chronic ear infections, hay fever, lung congestion, swollen glands, laryngitis, rhinitis, chronic pain, arthritis, back and neck pain, diabetes, ulcers, osteoporosis, prostate problems, rheumatoid arthritis, sports injuries (both prevention and recovery), post operative scars and lesions, varicose veins, arterial diseases, angina, blood clots, anti-aging, restoration of healthy fibrin metabolism and reduction in C-Reactive Protein.
Here's a few studies I found on it's anti-inflammatory properties. You can't get a drug patent for it so most of the research is taking place in Europe and Asia where they actually care about helping people. I take it morning and night as part of my daily.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2257960
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20390096
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23649050
(in my case this intense "stack" has helped my joints by a ten fold. All cheap, safe to consume, and easy to obtain)
So, come on guys.. lets hear your stories. Are you fighting an injury? trying to prevent them? Need help setting up a cycle because your body is getting "old" I see so many posts of people using Deca because of what it does for our joints.. but not much knowledge on peptide use, steroids used so we don't mess up our tendons etc. Most get overlooked if anything. The supplement advice was from tread (which he advised me) and I pulled the collagen part from youngtricep - an old, great post that got overlooked
any information you have that I can add to this post regarding peptides, protocols etc, post away and I will edit this. I think where all this board discussions cycles cycles cycles, not many people are educated about what to do when an injury strikes, or they can't do hammer curls anymore because their elbows hurt too damn bad!
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http://www.eroids.com/pics/rt.-shoulder-mri
I won't explain the picture again here but you can probably imagine the pain I had going on in there. I started deca at only 250mg/.5 twice per week after this MRI. I also take doc prescribed 100mg test cyp weekly. Within one week of the deca my pain started diminishing. After 5 weeks the only pain I had in the shoulder was if I slept on it wrong for a long period of time. I had this surgically removed in June but stayed on deca at 100mg weekly. Three weeks after the surgery I was back in the gym and did a set of 225 for 24 reps. No shoulder pain. I understand that this was not a soft tissue injury that had to be reattached and therefore the recovery would be faster, it was my fourth shoulder surgery though. 2 left and now 2 right. However, the surgeon knew I would go back sooner than recommended and told me to remember that I had three "medical" tears in my delts where he made the incision and please keep that in mind. I have been off the deca now for four weeks, ran it for 6 weeks into recovery, 10 weeks post op and I am doing my working sets with 315 again.
I don't know if the deca was the difference, but I do know it was my fourth shoulder surgery and I was out of the sling the next day and recovered twice as fast as any of my other ones(no deca). I had full range of motion in five days!! That was amazing to me.
I have an L5 and S1 herniation in my back with an annular tear in L5. If I take deca I don't need any other pain relief, without I have to take at least two aleve a day to get around ok.
I have not tried serrapeptase or TB500 but I will as soon as I can get my hands on some.
Obama BlowsWell I'm gonna be following this thread for sure! My shoulder has been fucked for about 2 years now. I never get to put up too much weight cuz I never know when it's gonna "pop" and give out on me. It even hurts doing stretches and shoulder rolls. Went to the dr, he looked and poked at it and said I was fine (that was a year ago). I'm gonna go back and demand an x-ray this time cuz this shit hurts! Day-to-day routine is sometimes painful. On the day I do shoulders I lift such little dinky weights it's embarrassing!
I think you should get a x-ray but it won't show much you better demand a mri I know there expensive but if it bothers you this much you probably need one
Obama BlowsI've got insurance, so I don't pay too much for that sorta thing ;)
BigBmajOne of the top pep guys said Lr3 doesn't test in blood work. Fuck I know I read it somewhere around here the other day. So how do you know it's working?
I've noticed with taking GHRP's and my recovery is amazing and my body just feels WAY better. If something gets hurt - tweaked elbow - it's gone in days rather than weeks. I quit taking them a few weeks back and the difference was enormous. I don't know why people don't talk peptides more around here.
Anonwonder if GHRP would be beneficial even on top of HGH? Im ignorant on the topic
it wont do much even on its own
AnonSchool me on some peptides brother.. not my area of specialty
any worth adding on top of TB500/HGH/IGF? why?
GHRP is only good for eating (hunger) and it helps w/ sleep, it will like add 1 lb of muscle in like 6 month of using it. its a very weak peptide. it also raises prolactin over time, note helps in sleep. and it only active for 30 min, and ur body adapts to it very fast which means u have to raise the dose till it become not worth it. i only use here and there just to eat more, like i would shoot it in the morning before breakfast..
BigBmaj2 lbs a year isn't really that weak of a compound is it? Especially if we can realistically expect to gain like 5-7 a year even on gear. That's actually pretty substantial. (Just read that somewhere on here not sure if I agree completely.).
And the recovery aspect of it use is not mild at all. If GHRP made me as hungry as if does some people Id be on forever.
I noticed the fat loss to be substantial as well.
I ran it for 6 months and I don't even know if it put 1 pound on me. But I did really like it.
By the way, weren't you the one who just posted 24 lbs of gains in a picture progression? How do you know what's causing what at that point?
Hey man , if unwana use it go head , I'm not here to be stop anyone from doing anything nor do I care.. I know what works for me and I'm gtg, not pushing any protocols on any one . like i said u need to ramp up the dose because ur body adapts. Actually a natty person can gain 2-8 lbs a year . So 5-7 IMO is not good w/ AAS . At least 10lbs a yr if ur using AAS..actually it was 26lbs , and to answer ur question , I know what causing what because I used everything seperatly. If I didn't know what's causing what then why would I use the drug
BigBmajI just saw a post 3 months ago saying you were using GHRP, IGF, and slin. Saying you were constantly hungry and it was working great.
I only asked you how you knew what was causing what. It wasn't putting your integrity on the line.
I'm taking a few things right now and Im growing really well. But my training is better, my diet is better, my drugs are better (pharma test), peptides, sleep, etc....
So it would be hard for me to say this rx test is the main culprit. Although I can tell it's making a big difference.
I'm not here to "protect" peptides I don't think they are very anabolic. In fact I don't think IGF lr3 is anabolic at all. But being able to eat more (using GHRP) could mean 15 extra pounds a year.
It was more of a question than a statement... How do you know what's putting on weight when variables change daily?? Especially I light of reading your post from 3 months ago about not being able to find good GH.
its only good for hunger .. its the diet that puts on weight
BigBmajObviously.
But if it makes you hungry and you can eat more. It is sort of putting weight on you in a round about way. That's like saying steroids don't put any weight on you - well.. Ok that's true but they make it much more possible.
Didn't you notice vastly improved recovery time?? I did use CJC with it because it's a waste not to in my opinion.
I'm ordering some GH today so ill be able to compare in a few months.
I spoke with phil113kg and he told me to add ghrp to my GH and dose it at least 2x a day. He likes ghrp6 but said if you start building a tolerance to ghrp6 you could switch to ghrp2 for a few months then you can go back and forth and that will help. He said it's mostly for hunger but it also increases GH production quite a bit.
Personally I get MUCH higher appetite increase with GHRP2 but both work. The ghrp2 makes me extremely hungry after injection but that only lasts for one meal making huge 1k+ calorie meals easy. GHRP6 does not give the overwhelming hunger pain immediately post injection but I notice my appetite is stronger throughout the day
Anonsounds like what I need, for the hunger part. How do you use it?
100 to 300 mcg 2-3 x a day
BigBmajGHRP6 is really amazing for hunger. 100 mcg 3 times daily. Mix it with CJC w/DAC at 100 mcg as well. Lots of people find the hunger an amazing benefit.
GHRP2 doesn't raise prolactin or cortisol as much and some people get a better hunger response but not typically.
i cant figure out whether its a blessing or a curse, but im fuckin hungry all the god damn time!! i couldnt even imagine how bad itd be if i ran ghrp, it makes me mad half the time because its like a constant battle to avoid overeatng and accumlating that stubborn ass chubb ya know? 5k calories a day for me is a cakewalk, and i have no problem whatsoever eatng every 2 hours like clockwork. ive been doing that for so long now that i dont even have to look at the time, i get hungry as shit about 10 mins shy of 2 hrs, almost never fails. blessing and a curse i tell ya
Anongreat info and stories so far guys. updated the above with contributions - keep em coming!
I will sift through the posts and give you guys some good responses later tonight
again, thank you
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI was wondering if anyone had any stories or studies relating to the use of HGH and healing brain injuries. Everything I have found is somewhat inconclusive. My longtime friend and best man at my wedding was involved in a horrible ATV accident 4 weeks ago. He suffered severe trauma to both sides of his brain. He was in a coma for 8 days and in the ICU for 3 weeks. He is now in rehab and his Doctors and nurses keep telling me this is the most crucial time for healing in brain injury patients. The quicker the brain heals, the better the long term prognosis. They still don't know if he will be able to live on his own or work and care for himself. I couldn't help but wonder if HGH would help in healing the brain like it does the rest of the body. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for this thread Muta, and everybody that has responded, it's full of great info.
AnonThe basis of it would seem somewhat beneficial to anything of this sort.. although I don't think they will ever release studies showing the wonders it can really do. They give it to burn victims, AID's patients etc.
http://m.ajs.sagepub.com/content/32/4/934.short
Study done with nandrolone
And for those that like rat testing
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01320913
Recovering from a grade 3 pec tear surgery as we speak. Using gh, igf-lr3 for right now. Healing up great.
Biggest damage I think is mentally. Scared to go heavy again. Prolly wont ever flat bech again. And the road to recovery is a long one.
AnonI have dealt with mental restrictions myself..
Just had rotator cuff surgery last Friday. Complete tear of subscapularis, reattached using keyhole surgery.
My rehab involves complete immobilisation for 6 weeks, tb500 and pharma grade hgh. It's a nasty injury which will have a lengthy recovery period. Hopefully these "extras" will get me back in the gym quicker.
AnonI truly believe they're the only way to get back to 100%.. if not, you'll always be babying it *(generally speaking)
This TB500 is looking very appealing! I am looking forward to what you think because with that injury it will be clear by the recovery time if those compounds are working.
I'll keep you up to speed.
Thanks brother I appreciate that!
Broken C-1
Broken Scapula bone
Shrapnel in the Face
Torn Left Bicep
Broken Maxilla
Multiple Broken Ribs
Nerve Damage Radial Nerve
Multiple Broken Metacarpals
Tendonitis
Arthritis
Stomach lining Damage do too parasites
There is other minor shit but I think that covers the majority of it.
First I will say the healing that I know for a fact I have gotten from HGH
Stomach lining is like new, my IBS was chronic and at times so bad I could not work for days. Also I believe since the lining has been repair my ability to absorb nutrients has gone way up. I use to get every cold, flu, and virus that came along. Now I haven't gotten any in 2 years of HGH use. Obviously due to the lack of pain my energy levels and acute awareness has gone back to normal.
Steroids- NPP, Equipoise, Anavar, Deca,
Vitamins-C,Niacin,D3,l-Arginine, Beta Alaine
I have far less tendon and bone pain! What is responsible for this I couldn't say, One thing though that x-rays have shown mind you I can't MRI my face because there is still fragments of shrapnel in there. Is that new tissue has grown where around where the shrapnel is, the shrapnel use to feel like sharp pins on a nerve in my face now it feels very dull in comparison. I asked the doctor and he said the new tissue could have grown over the nerves therefore dulling the pain. Now whether it was the steroids or HGH that has done this I do not have a clue but I am very pleased about it.
GOD HELP THE MEN IN YOUR WAKE OOH RAH!
It should be a section for injuries alone, great post, i am now trying to get a minimum of quality of life from higher back pain, deca and test did the trick but the pain came back as soon the the cycle was over, just started hgh to see what happen
I just wanted to add to this about what muta was talking about on the stories about injuries. I think a lot of times we tend to get carried away with our bodies especially when were aas or when were just trying to do more. I have had a few injuries myself and especially in the pec tendon areas never torn them but strained them very badly which in turn is micro tears but no full tears. What I think we need to do is listen to our bodies and what I mean is you can still push yourself but it doesn't mean you have to do this with breaking records or tons of weight. Listen to your body and I mean If you feel something isn't right drop the weight or just avoid that exercise for the day and go to something else. I do this all the time and I think it has helped me a lot in weight training. I look at weight training like this we are all in this for the long haul and takes a long time to build muscle so sometimes we need to take a step back and look at the big picture and not the short runs.
Anonlifting "dumb" will catch up to anyone
Great read Muta! I have had an RC issue for about 10 yrs and have been using Nandros pretty much (for masking) to get me through with tumeric being the latest intrduction to my regiment... Looks like tb500 will get a looksy from me. I'm 45 brother and one of the good things about getting older is the understanding that I don't have all the answers... Which is great cuz the questions are changing LOL!
AnonTry the wobenzyme brother.. I use it alongside Tumeric
hgh is better then tb 500, it ll cost about the same
good post
AnonOhhh man where to begin?........
Well some folks may know about my spinal injuries. My neck in particular. Three of the compounds you mentioned are tits accurate on their healing properties.
The first compound introduced to me was Test Cyp by my doctor. The immediate improvement from the boost in Test levels were as welcomed to me as the first First Sun of Spring. Wow how huge it was to feel actually alive and present in my life again. Not knowing beforehand how affected my well being was until my TRT began. Couple cycles later it was on to Deca and I never looked back.
At this time in my recovery I was singularly focused on regaining lost strength and reflex speed. The speed at that time at which I could defend the slowest punch or slap from my therapist was awful.(My therapist was awesome and designed a program suited towards my personality)
So the cycles I ran for the first half dozen contained Deca stacked on my Test Cyp. Over time my gains were totally remarkable. I had life changing power and reflex strength gains and I loved it.
The only remaining issue from my neck injury was pain. The pain from the tightness still in my neck dictated my life and freedom. My leash to my pain killers was just the way it was. It was chemical dependency.
Norco 10's and Flexiril for spasms. I was still a slave to my injury whether I was physically strong again or not.
Then I found Eroids:) I met up with some cool dudes and over time one of the smartest and giving people I've met here replied to one of my PMs. This Silverback Gorilla wrote me a frickin college paper about the rejuvenation properties of HGH. He tied it all into the Axis and positive feedback loop this negative feedback loops that. Lol I at first couldn't understand it all. Then one day I got it. I was able to speak his language and my MIND was made up. I wanted HGH in my life. I was officially ready!
Well it just so happened another great friend of mine( I won't name names) decided he was going into business. This was a cat I had paid close attention to before and admired his acumen for the science behind AAS and Hormones. I knew I could trust him. He just so happened to carry a line of HGH that was testing extremely high so I made the plunge.
A yr and some months later I'm here today. Still on HGH and I got a blessing in my life today because of HGH and my love affair with Deca. I'm completely off my Norcos. I still take my muscle relaxer as needed and an anti-inflammatory daily. But I'm opiate free!
I have an amazing range of motion in my neck unimaginable for me. I know what I went through and how hard I rehabbed. I'm lucky to be where I'm at. Not everyone who went through what I went through is as recovered as me. Some never recover some do a little. Then there's me! Not 100% but a happy 75-90% depending on how I slept on my pillow:/
I can't vouch for any of the other things written in this article but Test Deca and HGH I sure the fuck can. They work as long as ur willing to be disciplined and work hard. It wasn't easy. It was a difficult journey but a memorable journey to say the least.
Your story sound like mine, good to see your hapiness
Good luck
AnonYa I had a machine of a body to having zero strength in both arms and feeling completely helpless and dependent on others for help overnight. Talk about culture shock!!! But thank god I have some amazing brothers who facilitated this recovery.
I've been so fortunate to have the support of a Guru and a cartoon character. These guys guided, helped and motivated me to push forward.
I'm a fucking Eroids success story everyday. My freedom for opiates is a godsend bro. Truly a miracle IMO.
Anonlove love love it bro.. thanks for posting. Couldn't speak on your behalf but I knew you would kill it.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkClassyChassisIn terms of supplements, something I use in general is Serrapeptase. It's a proteolytic enzyme that has the ability to digest non-living tissue in the body. It needs to be taken on an empty stomach (away from protein).
In Europe and Asia, it is clinically used for many negative health conditions. One of the most well-known proponents for this enzyme was the German physician, Dr. Hans Nieper. He had great success supplementing with serrapeptase to promote normal heart and circulatory system health.
Serrapeptase is an immunologically active enzyme. It can bind itself to the alpha 2 macroglobulin in our plasma where it is shielded from the immune system while retaining its enzymatic activity, and in this way it is transferred to the sites where it is needed in the body. It has the distinct ability to digest only non-living tissue allowing the old toxic layers that clog the digestive system and the lining of our arteries to dissolve. This is one reason why its so good at keeping arterial deposits from building up after heart surgery. Also scar tissue, etc.
Dr. Nieper found that Serrapeptase could dissolve blood clots and reduce varicose veins. Other studies from Germany have found that serrapeptase could effectively remove atherosclerotic plaque without hurting any of the healthy cells along the arterial wall.
Serrapeptase is widely used in Europe as a supplement for traumatic injury (such as sprains and torn ligaments), as well as the swelling associated with post-surgical patients.
Serrapeptase has been approved as a standard remedy in many European countries for swelling. A double-blind German study on the enzyme found that it could reduce swelling by up to 50% in post-operative patients. Patients taking serrapeptase experienced statistically significant less pain than the control groups and, by the 10th day of the study, all patients taking the serrapeptase were completely pain free.
Recent studies confirm the use of this enzyme for the reduction of symptoms associated with carpal tunnel syndrome.
Serrapeptase is currently being studied and used for a vast array of applications for human health and disease prevention. This includes therapeutic use for nerve damage, Multiple Sclerosis, chronic ear infections, hay fever, lung congestion, swollen glands, laryngitis, rhinitis, chronic pain, arthritis, back and neck pain, diabetes, ulcers, osteoporosis, prostate problems, rheumatoid arthritis, sports injuries (both prevention and recovery), post operative scars and lesions, varicose veins, arterial diseases, angina, blood clots, anti-aging, restoration of healthy fibrin metabolism and reduction in C-Reactive Protein.
Here's a few studies I found on it's anti-inflammatory properties. You can't get a drug patent for it so most of the research is taking place in Europe and Asia where they actually care about helping people. I take it morning and night as part of my daily.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2257960
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20390096
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23649050
This certainly fits great into this thread but I think it deserves its own thread. This is something I'd never heard of and I doubt many others have either. Based on the links you've posted it seems pretty legit and I think it'd be of great benefit if more of our eroids brothers and sisters could see it
Thanks for the great info! Greatly appreciated
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AnonJust ordered a few bottles bro. i had never heard of it before! As always, your contribution is greatly appreciated (by me)
AnonAnyone ever use this for knee injury? Where did u IM inject?
AnonI wouldn't do IM. Its just as beneficial used SUB-Q (if you're speaking on TB-500)