AI only as low-T therapy?
Hey guys, trying to wrap my head around some test results. 2.5 Years lifting, no AAS. 24y/o, 6'3, 205lbs, 13-15% body fat for the last 3+ years. Healthy diet (40/30/30 C/P/F) and no smoking or drinking. 8+hours sleep.
Total test 506ng/dl
Free test 54pg/ml
TSH, 3RD GEN 1.98 uIU/ML
My physician said I'm too young for TRT. Something about I need to eat more 'super-foods' and wait till I'm 40.
He refused to give me a referral to an Endo. So I started doing some homework on AAS, which has lead me here. I store fat on my hips/chest/legs which is suggestive of an estrogen problem, I also put on fat very easily.
Can I run a very low dose of Aromasin as a sort of TRT?
I have found a few people claiming Aromasin by itself can increase test levels by up to 60%.
Would a different AI serve this purpose better?
Thanks for any help you guys can provide!
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http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php or get your doctor to run another lab with estrogen. My 16 yr old kid is @ 315 and they say he is fine.
Ye thats not by any means normal, they said the same to me, when i was 18 i knew something was wrong so i got some bloods done and it was 450ng/dl and as a teenager it should be around 1000! Some doctors are fucking clueless. Just keep looking for a doctor who knows what their talking about, an endo preferably.
When I was 15 an endo put me on test-therapy super low dose, because I wasn't showing signs of pubertal development. They ruled out pituitary tumors and the like, I believe it was hypogonadism? I also had a varicocele on the right side. I think its natures way of saying "don't have kids".
Looking back it seems like the endocrinologist might have made some mistakes on that call. I was on a low dose test for about 4months. No PCT or anything like that, just stopped giving me shots. I was young so I don't recall the numbers (if I was ever told them to begin with). Maybe that little 'cycle' messed me up?
Does your kid show any symptoms or problems of low-t? Also, thank you for the link.
Iv sent you a FR
Hey bro the same shit happened to me, i was 15 and a half and got T shots. From what i recall i was given half an amp of testosterone every month which is 125mg for 6months. And look at me now low t in my 20's just like you. So im thinkin it most likely has something to do with it.
Right in the feels bro! Were you overweight as a kid? I'm suspecting the fat I was carrying around didn't help. I was always self concious of my 'feminine' fat storage as a kid. It litteraly shaped the person who I became. I look great now, still I find myself adjusting my shirt and haunching forward to hide my chest when I'm in public. Fixing the body was easy, the mind is a bitch.
Anyway my aromasin showed up today! I'm using a low dose to test reaction to aromasin before cycle. I'm having bloodwork post cycle (17 weeks from now). I'm going to assume fresh off the PCT my test levels will be low enough to get prescribed TRT. I'm 25 and have suffered with the symptoms of low-T long enough. Its only downhill from here, time to get on le tour de france!
Hey bro i sent you a private message
He is week and has no desire to do anything. I am thinking his low t symptoms are sleep apnea though.
Also this should be in the trt section :/ i dont know how you can move it though, youll get more replies if its in the right forum section
Thanks for all the info Crayon! I think you're right about just going TRT and NOT living with low-t.
Hey, there are other alternatives that has proven effective at raising your testosterone levels. The safest yet still very effective would be clomid, run a short cycle of clomid and this can raise your testosterone quite effectively.
Also there is only one way of finding out if you should use aromasin for estrogen related problems, and that would be getting another blood test to see where your estradial is. If its high then run 6.25mg a day on your clomid cycle.
So i would run this for 6 weeks
Clomid (mg per day)
50/50/50/50/50/50
Aromasin (mg per day)
6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25
Either way, at your age i would stay away from TRT. Im in the same shoes. Im 22yo with 385ng/dl and after this cycle iv decided get some more bloods done, then run a cycle like this to boost my test and reduce my estrogen. By the way my 385ng/dl was without doing any cycles too, until now.
I was considering TRT very strongly but im going to try every over avenue first.
I should have access to nolva / aromasin. Since nolva/clomid are both serms could I just use a 20/20/20 dose of the nolva w/ same aromasin dose? Sorry to hear about your low test, was your free level low as well?
Everyone says "TRT is for life" can't you use a PCT protocol and stop TRT at some point?
Thanks man, yes all my levels were low i cant remember the figures but they were all pretty low, but im determind to sort it out, with any means necessary so im not too bummed by having low T at the moment because those years are gone, after this cycle im never going back to having low T, im going to try this clomid cycle and if it doesnt work im goin to try hcg, and if that doesnt work im doing trt. Either way, its going to get sorted
Also id highly suggest clomid over nolva. Ill tell you why when i come back from the gym
Ok i was thinking on the way to the gym what id say and i remembered nolva removes the estrogen in the chest region so this would be a very good compound for you to use. But if your going to use aromasin with it i would do this dosage
Nolva - every day
20/20/20/20/20/20
Aromasin 6.25mg every other day
But i wouldn't recommend replacing clomid for nolva, instead use both. You'll need clomid because its clomid that will raise your testosterone because it gets your testicles to produce more LH, whereas nolva only removes estrogen from your chest it doesn't have many uses for raising testosterone.
So i would do
Clomid @ 50mg ED for 6weeks
Nolva @ 20mg ED for 6weeks
Aromasin @ 6.25 EOD for 6weeks
You should notice a big difference from when you started to when you finish this cycle. Also i highly recommend getting pre and post bloods since this will show how well it worked
Yes you can come off TRT but with a VERY heavy pct protocol and even with a heavy pct its hit and miss, depending on how long youve been on trt and your levels preTRT.
Another useful link
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/over-40-trt/how-to-go-about-getting-...
I would think you would not want to drop your estrogen unless it was high. What is wrong with your #s. Maybe I am missing something it is late.
They should be, based on what I have read, a lot higher considering my age/activities/diet.
I should get my estrogen levels checked, you're both right. Thing is I store LOTS of fat on my chest (moobs) even when I cut low body fat (4-6 abs visible). I have read that was indicative of high estrogen.
Ye thats a pretty strong indicator to having high estradial
Take a look at this link, muta made a nice post about how to tackle moobs relating to high estradial
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/tits-like-bitch