posted Sat, 04/06/2013 - 15:11
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TNE and maintaining gains?
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What would be the best combination to help keep TNE gains?
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What would be the best combination to help keep TNE gains?
Buildbigger86Yes, Fin is so right diet is 75- 80% of building muscle. Al's are A MUST AS WELL AS CORRECT PCT'S.
If you only have enough funding for the gear but not the al or pct DO NOT EVEN TAKE CYCLE. You will fuck yourself up so bad down the line if you dont do on cycle treatment and PCT treatment.
Great point FIN plus 1
Buildbigger86Yes, Fin is so right diet is 75- 80% of building muscle. Al's are A MUST AS WELL AS CORRECT PCT'S.
If you only have enough funding for the gear but not the al or pct DO NOT EVEN TAKE CYCLE. You will fuck yourself up so bad down the line if you dont do on cycle treatment and PCT treatment.
Great point FIN plus 1
Also FOOD cost a lot and food comes 1st.
Buildbigger86I KNOW right. The other i actually calculated how much it cost being my supps, protein, and food and i was amazed how much i spend.. But again as you said it does come first. Foundation for your body.
fk.. you ain't even lying bro.. i spend at least $100/wk on the shit. i eat 6-7 times a day plus post workout shakes when i train.
Buildbigger86Thats around the same number i came to when i did my calculations but with shakes, multi vitamins, bcaa's, amino's. It adds up so fast
we all should hunt and fish.
i'd have to hunt with a bow and a knife.. damn federal government won't let me own a gun...
Whitedime1Your legally able to borrow a gun for hunting
I bow hunt and they cant take your fishing pole away
Buildbigger86AHAHA, D- That will make the hunt cooler and that much more fun though.
Whitedime1My diet is solid. That's one thing I do right. I have a freezer full of extremely lean venison and moose.
So you guys think I should use only one compound and that's all besides Post cycle stuff
Whitedime1My diet is solid. That's one thing I do right. I have a freezer full of extremely lean venison and moose.
So you guys think I should use only one compound and that's all besides Post cycle stuff
TNE = Testosterone no ester. Are you using TNE off cycle? It's mainly used as a pre-workout while you're on cycle.
Whitedime1Not off cycle. I was putting together a cycle. What I have read about TNE is that you achieve dramatic size and strength gains but its hard to keep the gains so I wanted to complement with a more long term juice like Deca or EQ maybe Tren
Tne is most popular as a pre-workout as stated below. But the best gains would come from using this as a test base (like suspension back in the day). It would require 2-3x daily pinning however and that is just a pain. Throw some stats up. Age, weight, height ,bf, goals, cycle experience
Whitedime16'4"
290
12% bf
37 years old.
I want to get harder and more vascular while adding some size
12% at this size? Is this a guess or an accurate measurement? This would mean you have a total of roughly 35 lbs of fat. Theoretically could lose 20 of that. Would put you at 6'4, 270. That's bigger than The Rock. Either this is wrong or you're a freak of nature!!!!
Whitedime1No that's accurate. I grow quite easily.
Cycle experience? How many have you run? How often do you run? What do the breaks in between look like? What compounds have u used?
Whitedime1Ive done 2 cycles first was
12 weeks
Deca 400 a week
EQ 300 a week
Enantate 300 a week
Next cycle was just Deca and Tren
Been cycle free for 5 years
Buildbigger86DUDE TAKE OFF THE EQ IF YOU ARE ONLY GOING TO RUN 300MG'S A WEEK. IT IS A WASTE OF YOUR MONEY YOU NEED TO TAKE ATLEAST 600MG OF EQ TO BEING TO SEE RESULTS ALSO IT TAKE 21 DAYS TO GET INTO YOUR BLOOD STREAM AND YOU SHOULD EQ FOR 3 MONTHS TO GET FULL EFFECTS FROM IT.
Also if your running 400mg of Deca you need to up your Test dosage up. You will have Deca dick with that little amount of test.
Remember that although Deca and EQ dont produce estrogen. THEY STILL STOP YOUR PRODUCTION ON NATURAL TEST. This is something i have to explain to people all the time. They think since these types of gear listed dont create estrogen that they dont need to run test.
TEST IS A MUST. It is the BASE OF EVERY CYCLE.
What are you goals for this cycle cause we could do it 1 of 2 ways.
1) We could up have you front load test e @ 600mg a week and EQ at 900MG a week for the first two weeks and divide this into to shots a week. EX. SUNDAY: 300MG TEST E W/ 450MG EQ, Thursday: 300MG TEST E W/ 450MG EQ.
Then weeks 3-12 take 600mg of test a week and run 600mg of eq a week again divided into to injections per week.
And for a little starting on week 3-12 run 125mg x 2 a week of the Deca.
Also makes sure to Aromasin and have your pct's lined if you need any help with that please PM me.
Route 2: CUT EQ OUT OF CYCLE IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY. Run 600mg of test per week at 2 injections at 300mg per injection and run 150mg's x 2 of deca a week.
I personally would go with route 1 but thats just my personal preference.
Please let me know if i can help you with anything else.
Whitedime1Build those were my two past cycles.
Now I'm thinking.
Test E
Prop
Dbol
Winny
Buildbigger86This is the new cycle your trying to run man?? NOT BEING A DICK JUST TRYING TO HELP. BUT WTF ARE YOU THINKING MAN.
I do not think i have ever seen such a bad which i hate to say cuz im not a dick but you need to hear it. EVER MAN.
And i assume you would like to run this as a 12 week cycle??
Whitedime1Yes 12 wk. are these bad to use together
Buildbigger86I am just speaking for myself but that cycle makes no sense to me. AGAIN NOT BEING A DICK. Just being honest and trying to help.
What are you actually trying to achieve from that cycle.
Also DBOL is highly toxic on the liver as well as Winni and should not be run for more then 4-6 weeks.
Can you please tell me again if you how many cycles you have done and list what you have run for each cycle this give me a better picture of your experience and how we can tweak this cycle.
no offense brother, but you previous compound choices were not very good ones... you're going a little too hard too fast. ease off that gas pedal a lil bit and let's do this next one right.
I agree should forget about past cycles and go back to a true 1st cycle.
This was very informative thank u
Buildbigger86No, thank you SIR
I'm going to post some links. Read them
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/how-to-run-a-cycle
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/creating-steroid-...
Whitedime1That was a big help so I think in going with
Test E
Prop
Dbol
winny
Deca and tren? Shit man, how did that go? Did you run any caber or prami?
Buildbigger86NITTI BESIDES THE CABER OR PRAMI. DECA AND TREN IS JUST DUMB. TREN, TEST E OR CYP, WITH A NICE DOSAGE OF EQ. Then were talking brother.
What are your thoughts on that?
honestly, bro, this guy has yet to run a successful first cycle IMO. if you asked him what sides he gets from deca and which ones from tren or EQ, he wouldn't be able to tell you. why? because he doesn't even know how he reacts to just test, or test plus one other compound, and so on. there is a reason why we say:
outside of that, and don't take this personally, but this guy is obviously reaching out for help and advice. better to have him being receptive than defensive.
he doesn't need EQ or deca. he doesn't even need a frontload. all of this is way too advanced for his experience level. what he NEEDS is to run a proper first cycle. then his next cycle he can add another compound like one that he's already ran, preferably EQ.
Buildbigger86i agree with dossier but he just posted the cycle with eq, deca, test, that THOSE WERE THE LAST CYCLES HE RAN.
Check out what he wants to run now.
Whitedime1I know I was not the best creator of cycles. I had no help because I kept it a secret and online you get good and bad info. Guess I believed the bad
it's all good brother. i've been there, believe me. you are in the right place to get some solid advice. main thing is to keep an open mind and be willing to accept both advice and criticism, because they are both to your benefit. we don't always have the best answers for ourselves, but you are surrounded by guys here that have been there and want to help.
Buildbigger86Yes white dossier is right i am not trying to be a dick by any means. i am not that you can PM anytime and i be more then happy to help with anything i can. Please do take my responses the wrong. I am only here to help you. As dossier said we have all been there. I have done some dumb shit myself everyone does. NO MATTER if they add it or not they most likely have. No one is born with the roid bible ya know. So just take advantage of all the amazing vets and guru's on this site who have tons of experience and knowledge.
White i am sincerely sorry if i came off like a dick to you. It was not my intention at all.
x2
Whitedime1Nothing else. It broke my cock for a whole lol
bad choices brother...
TNE is a very fast acting compound, because it is paired with no ester. this quick release into the bloodstream also allows it to leave the system quickly. as a result, a single pin per day is insufficient for running a cycle. the goal should be to raise hormone levels above normal and maintain those elevated levels for a period of time. stability is of the utmost importance here, because fluctuations cause imbalances. these imbalances cause more harm than good on your body (internally) and are accompanied by a range of sides.
to maintain stable levels and avoid this occurrence, multiple injections each day are required. outside of being a pin cushion, let's consider both the discomfort caused by the oils and solvent in addition to to cost associated with this sort of dosing protocol over the course of a cycle. it is simply not feasible...
you can go this route if you choose - you're a grown man. but if you do, you're going to cost yourself way more than you need to as well as set yourself up for a host of uncomfortable side effects and lost gains. i would reconsider with something like this:
https://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/beginner-cycle-1-or-2-test-e-with-prop...
Buildbigger86Dossier so correct. I was speaking with a big source about TNE yesterday and my only concern was since i am running sust 500 would it unbalance my T- levels. I did a ton of reading on TNE and understand you pin an hour before workout and will stay in body for around 5 hours give or take and that is also gives you the greatest workout pumps ever.
The source replied NO it will not affect my T levels because of my base test cycle i am already running.
I woud only pin TNE once being that i lift at night so that is the only time i would need to use it.
But nice post Dossier plus 1
thanks, bro.
the thing to remember when getting information from someone or somewhere is to to consider "does this person have anything to gain from how i perceive this information?" a source is here to make money. now, sources, i'm not discrediting any of you, because i know that there are exceptions to this. BUT, buildbigger, trust me when i say that TNE will sill cause fluctuations in your hormone levels with a once per day injection, regardless of what your cycle base consists of. you are injecting 75-100mg of test that releases immediately and leaves almost as quickly. that's a rapid increase in serum levels followed by a rapid decrease. after you've ran gear long enough and learned how you react with both long and short esters, you'll see a difference in mild sides when you start playing with TNE. it is the short bursts of instability that cause these sides. they are not unbearable, but they are noticeable.
not discrediting TNE either. personally, i like it as a preworkout, but that doesn't change how it interacts at a cellular level.
Buildbigger86Yes of course but the source is not that type. I will PM you source and you will know that he is always one to have informative info/ helpful.
Yes true on levels but i was just going to run 25mg-50mg pre workout nothing to crazy just for a little extra pre workout pump.
But i completely follow what your saying..
I have no idea what your even trying to ask.