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Recently I did some experimenting with pinning oil based gear with slin pins.
I pinned my wife with a low dosage of test prop 100. Point 1ml in the delt. The equivilent of 10mgs. She is a mature adult and her levels were low. We had some blood work done prior to starting the therapy. Even tho it was a fast ester we went with 2 injections a week. I figured for a woman the levels would be stable enough. We did the treatment for 12 weeks and things work out great. She dropped bodyfat, libido went up, training intensity was there, and so were the visible gains. The pin was a standard 29awg 1/2 inch pin.
At the same time I pinned my training partner with a 29 awg 1/2 inch slin pin. His results were not so good. Within 3 days he developed a golf ball type of swelling that was bright red in his delt and according to him was extremely painful. His dose was a full cc of test prop 100. 1 ml in the delt. The equivilent of 100mgs. 48 hours after pinning that delt I pinned his other delt. Same reaction. After one week elapsed the redness, swelling and pain went away. After the site cleared we did the same product and amount but this time used a 23 awg 1 inch pin. The result was normal. No redness, swelling, or pain.
The female in this was 120 lbs with a body fat level of 14-17%. The male was 300 lbs with a body fat level of 25%. He is a power lifter not a body builder. I believe that if you are a smaller person you can get away with the slin pin but if you are a larger person that the oil does not go deep enough into the muscle to get absorbed properly and gets trapped in the space between the skin and muscle and becomes an irratant. It eventually did get absorbed but not being able to train as a result of the discomfort out weighed the comfort of the small needle. The moral is a little more pain from the bigger needle was better than the lesser pain of the small needle during injection with the one week of down time from the gym. This information may not be relevant to a seasoned veteren but I'm sure there are a lot of new guys thinking about the big needle vs the smaller needle. Good luck in getting to your goals.

deadpan's picture

if it was 1/2" on a 300lb dude at 25% bf, it probably didnt go deep enough and some of it got SubQ. if you're worried about using a full 1", just take the plastic cap that protects the needle and cut it down so it acts as a stopper at whatever needle length you want, works like a charm.

oversteerisbest's picture

My experience with oils has been that the smaller diameter needle, the more pip. Dont know why, but thats been how its been with multiple different sources oils.

Nitti's picture

I use a 27G as often as I can. Makes things painless and less scar tissue or lumps. 27G x 1-1/4" are available. Makes life easier. Delts I use a 27x 1/2" but i'm less than 10%bf

thebuckshot1968's picture

Thank you. I have some long 27's from some GAC I was taking. Glutamine, Arginine, and Carnitine. I'll do tomorows injection with the 27's and see how it goes.

ChemDawg's picture

I bought a box of 100 27g 1.25"ers. I load them with an 18g. They work great, they get deep, and they don't leave a mark.

j223's picture

1 week of down time from the gym? Just from 1ml of prop? Tell your friend to sack up...
posts like these crack me up, people need to

A. quit being a bitch
or
B. learn how to properly inject

I've injected into fat many times, my glute needs a pin longer than 1inch and I've done 1" many times It was most likely not in the muscle. No pain or anything

thebuckshot1968's picture

It was an experiment. We use 23 awg 1 inch pin in the delt and quad and 23awg 1.5 inch pin in the glute.

thebuckshot1968's picture

It was an experiment. My friend is a real power lifter that competes. He isn't classified as fat. He is classified as big and real strong.

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