AI,Gear and pct ,not the same for every one.
I'm no expert are a Doctor,but I research everything I use.Even though we love helping others with our experience of how great this gear,ai,pct did us.Every one will not be the same.I ran 1st cycle .
Wk 1-12 Test P 150 eod
Wk 4-8 d-bol 50mg ed.
Pct 3 day's after last pin.Nolva 40,20,20,20.OTC test boster.
Ai was A-dex used .05 once a week if that.
Never had a slight estrogen side.Nolva
Made me sick,depressed,vomit.Same
Nolva my boy used with no sides.
OTC test booster bamb,bounce back to life.
Lost barly any mass just water.
Cycle 2
Wk 1-10 test p 75mg ed,
Wk 1-9 tren a 125mg ed
Wk 1-10 Mast p 75 mg ed.
Pct will start 3 days after last pin.
will try standerd tren pct again.
Clomid 100,100,50,50,
Nolav 20,20,,10,10
Armasion 12.5, 12.5, 6.5 ,6.5
If dying ill again,
I will use p22 Test taper pct.
Pct test p taper as this.
Wk 1-6 Test P 100 mg a wk. Will drop 25 mg every week till off.
Wk 1-6 A-dex .25g e3d.
So this cycle.Switch 5wk in from a-dex to armasion.since its a tren cycle.
Befor switched no sides.1st week on armasion 6.25 e3d .
Extreme headaches all day,no drive,loss
Sex drive.
Serious one blood pressure went from 145/83 to 110/50 .even to 95/50.
Extremely low.About pass out coma low.
Went research other AAS big time users
That had same problems with armasion.
Nolva and clomid to.
Dropped armasion 3 days ago I'm feeling
100% better.
Point is ,you find what works for you and don't switch it cause one tells you.
I have a-dex, for on cycle and letro for emergency only.In my case I never needed Ai like many on cycle.
.I do A-dex .5mg a week just
As caution.I'm just different.
We truly just lab rat's winging it on what works for us.confirmin it with labs.
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Damn dude, your first time running tren and you were running close to 1gram a week? Lol, glad everything worked out though. And agreed with everyone's body will respond differently.
roughneck12I slowly work up to that dose. Then no sides,but realized that I didn't need that much and dropped down dose.
No sides, no anger, no blood pressure increase. No prolactin are e2 problems except when using aro. BP ran lower on cycle.
Insomnia was a nag. Prami fixed insomnia and slept deep all night,and increased sex and performance. Cardio went to shit, albuterol at small doses brought cardio back better than before. Research and science and brothers that run tren in most every cycle were with me. This is just my experience .
I do not want to tell people go do what I did.
I do me ,pic show my progress.
Crazy shit!
What's your logic here? Tren doesn't aromatize so aromasin will do nothing for prolactin related side effects.
roughneck12Real talk nitti, how did you ever come up with that .
That's is crazy. E2 control on cycle is the main concern in keeping prolactin side's down.
But A-dex, aro and letro will not save you from prolactin induced gyno. If e2 spikes and sets off prolactin . your caber , and prami will control prolactin by regulating dopamines.
Letro is my on hand emergency Ai only. If a -dex fails me at 2.5 mg 2 x a wk . It will knock it down back to were I can gain control over it again ,if not crash it. Even if tren ,deca,eq ,winny and others don't turn to E2 , our base test will. Ai is always needed on cycle IMO are on hand. Even when using a steroid like mast ,which people for get was made for stopping estrogen from attaching to breast tissue of women with Breast cancer. You still need Ai. Hope you can see I fully under stand my estrogen and prolactin. Also the use of Ai and dopamine antagonist regulator's for prolactin.
I know my risk of my cycle choices.
Like Viking said below, every body find what works for you. Some people are slow and cant make split second decisions on the fly by there body's reaction to a compound.
I happen to not be in that group. The thing is nitti . I did my home work . I pulled off what many said I would fail .
Well nitti lil brother pulled it off. I'm no where near your experience , but in terms of gears and extras I use , I'm on point . Protocol is not fact, it's bro science.
My protocol is know danger, perpair for worst, and be ready. Know your body , it will let you know. That being said. I spoken mine. Know you can delete the hole tread, so I don't influence other into none sense. Notting but respect for you nitti . No disrespect intended.
roughneck12Aromasin is in pct 12.5,12.5, 6.25, 6.25 . Clomid 100,100 ,50 50. Nolva 20,20,10,10.
So why would I get more A-dex . Just get aro, on cycle and use in pct ,as nolva is cut back and aro is added.can even taper off aro extra week are 2. Nitti I'm not about to give you half life's and pro's and Cons of a-dex are aro. Because you been knowing way longer than me. This was my experience. Not what I read . That's why I don't post anymore.I do what works for me with no sides and works.
Again, what's your logic here? I don't get it. It's fairly simple. You said because its a Tren cycle, you use aromasin! Why? Makes no sense. TREN doesn't aromatize. But it isn't about me doing it longer. It's about you spreading bad info AGAIN. This isn't about me. It's not about bashing. I'm trying to understand wtf you're talking about. Maybe I'm missing something. I see a lot of younger guys come to you for info. Even tho you have Minimal experience. The SI thread is your new home. So is this the kind of info you give them? Don't talk me in circles. I asked ONE simple question. You can't answer it.
roughneck12No bad information being spreaded nitti.
roughneck12You are missing it. Is aro not used in tren pct. Yes ok. So why buy more A-dex if I can by aro and need it in pct. I don't give bad advice. I don't give tren advice to New guy's. But when they come to me already 3 weeks in on a test 700mg a week, tren 400mg a week with side's , with no Ai are prolactin back up ,I will tell him he should have never ran tren, and adjust it and get him on track. No stats, no advice.
You're talkin in circles again. It was a very simple question. It's apparent you don't have an answer because there is no logical answer. Tren doesn't aromatize. You're saying you switch from adex to aromasin BECAUSE you're using tren. I'm still scratching my head. You're in your second cycle. You didn't take the advice that was given to you when you started this run. You're pretty much advocating this behavior to other ppl. We work hard to make newbs understand why tren isn't a good move for a while. You're flushing it down the toilet. There's no sense debating with you.
roughneck12Short answer. Running low on a-dex ,so I buy aro for Ai , so I can use in pct as well.
Again, what does that have to do with TREN? Tren doesn't aromatize. Switching from adex to aromasin because it's a tren cycle makes no sense. That's all.***
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Nitti is correct to pull you up here bro.... YOU ARE WRONG PURE AND SIMPLE #and if i catch you after only doing 1 full cycle giving shit advice to others i will burn your ass brother, ive spent countless hours giving only the best info to people on here and im not about to let that be spoilt by a one cycle specialist fucking things up........... NUFF SAID.
roughneck12Respect that.
Post some fresh pics up bro i need to see for myself what all this roughneck modern strategy is all about.... lets see if it works and its worth it ok.. if your not bone hard and cut to the bone i wont be impressed, also i see no longevity to your approach.. how much gear do you think you will need to run when you are my age just to see slight results... hmmmm interesting!..... this is something thats been playing on my mind lately with alot of you guys in your mid 20s.. im seeing super stacks of mixed compounds and thinking if these guys dont get the desired results first time what will they do next?? double the dosage maybe? then triple it next time round?... sounds fucking crazy but just watch this shit happen.... im 53 this june bro and still competing! work that shit out.. and i didnt do it by constantly tripling dosages or adding slin and stuff.... i would love to see if most of you guys are still at it at my age or even if you can get to my age without fucking killing yourselves lol...lol
roughneck12Viking all do respect your 100% right . You got result's to prove it . I'm just posted new pics. I no where near anything special. I made a choice to run tren a . Brother I done been throgh cemotropy for cancer at 15 . They cut my splen out I'm laid off and rising two lil girls by my self for 3 years now. I worked one of the most dangerous jobs and saw co worker's die. Just laid off after 8 year breaking my back. I can't go to the gym with my youngest home all day. So I got a lil bench weights and dumbbells. My test is already low cause of 2 year's on cancer meds. I thank God, every morring I wake up. To morrow is never promised. Don't have family, so these guy's are my family. I'm a no body brother, your right . Dr won't put me on notting till 30 even though he says I need it, cause of the stigma of Steroids. So really bro I'm just stating my experience. now everyone knows my illnesses and my hole life . By no means do I give these brothers bad advice. Im only a guy who cares for others and take time to walk them throght rules and diets . Look ,ask , I promote positive behavior and lead by that. You think I'm given tren advice to people that cant copy info to make a donation. No I'm not putting my name on that. I have notting to profit by letting another hurt there self. I told you before Viking when I was wrong for giving and given points that you could have them just cut the others slack . That's what you did, I only said thank you and bodybuilder. Now I got 50 numbers by my name again . Personally I think I earned them yes it's nice ,but It's not notting special.
This post is old. You commentted on it weeks back. I'm always respectful to yall. I don't even post no more. Just try to help. My choice to run tren made me hated. A target. I don't cause no trouble. Viking I'm not even going to answer cycle questions no more. My choice was mine. You want pics they up. You want full body ill put them up. I'm just like being with my fellow brothers who know me for me. Who know my condition ,well every one dose now. Brother yall know best , what ever you need let me know. I'll do it . Want me to say I'm a failure. I'm not. But with only two full cycles I'm no body to give advice. I'll step back.
You're being a little dramatic here my man. It ain't that deep. You wanna give advice, that's fine, juts give the right advice. You ran tren against everyone here's advice. So that doesn't mean it's k for the next guy to do. For whatever reason you have these young cats looking up to you. Be responsible about it
roughneck12100% I put a lot of heart in things. I'm always deep. Thanks I understand.
All about the title ....... ive been preaching this forever its time folks realised the fact that we are ALL different and react to different compounds in totally different ways.
NO SUCH THING AS "OFF THE PEG" STEROID CYCLES OR PCT PROTOCOLS..... YOU ARE THE MASTER OF YOUR OWN DESTINY, IN LIFE AND MORESO IN YOUR AAS LIFE, EXPERIMENT AND LEARN IS THE WAY FORWARDS.
I can handle 2 grams of ten with zero probs apart from the sweats but you stick 250mg of deca in me and i get swollen nips like a persian porn star and im iTCHing them things like a backyard dog with a flea infestation even at that low dose... see what i mean about learning what works best for us individually!... takes time and years so forget becoming an expert after 4/5 cycles.
THIS IS A LEARNING CURVE THAT NEVER ENDS.. HAVE PATIENCE GUYS IT WILL SLOT INTO PLACE DONT WORRY.
AnonBro ive lost count of the cycles ive run and i bet my ass you have too.... and i still learn something every now and then
Thats part of the fun for me now brother,im always experimenting these days but!.. i always use my past exp as a yard stick and never push the boundaries if my gut tells me differently... biggest learning curve for me lately is seeing what and how much gear suze can handle well,.. its blown my mind to be honest how well she copes with hard compounds... results have been spectacular but to give her her dues she is an expert with nutrition and is so focused on pre/prep meals and eating times she makes me look like a fkin noob lmao... when she leaves for work every morning her car is like a mobile fkin restaurant... she can devour cold veggies for fun... i have to go hot food every time cold broccoli and spinach has me fkin puking lol
AnonBro ive lost count of the cycles ive run and i bet my ass you have too.... and i still learn something every now and then
Lets try and put some positivity back into this thread brother.. thats why i changed the topic slitghtly..... wtf does slitightly mean...... ah shit i needs me a phukin dictionary lol...lol
You post some pic's of ya nips;-)
I don't respond well to aromasin either. I noticed similar sides: headaches, no drive, no sex drive, lethargy etc. Many people do not respond well to aromasin.
Thank goodness for arimidex, it works perfect and is very low on side effects and is easy to dose. Remember aromasin is a steroid and adex isnt.
Also nolva is another weird one many people cant tolerate. It has to do with the way it is broken down in the body by an enzyme in the liver.
JUst use adex and clomid for your pct and you should be good.