posted Fri, 01/11/2013 - 03:38
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+ 1 Marine vs Piers Morgan on gun control
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Now this is how Alex Jones should have debated Piers Morgan. This Marine owned him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TEBy6KPjVw
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Anonhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-owners...
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf
Just compare New York to Texas Florida and Georgia !!! Holy shit laugh my fucking ass off at anyone who says states with looser gun laws have lower crime.
Fact is that I dont realy believe guns have much to do with crime. Its more about economics. You get an area with a lot of poor people, your going to get more crimes
CleyonI think mental poverty is the real killer, but that's another discussion for a different day. BTW, Britian has virtually no guns, and has a vastly higher violent crime rate than the US.
Our murder rate is much lower though. UK is 1.2 per 100,000. USA is 5 per 100,000 and 60% of the USA murders are with guns.
The reason why the UK supposedly has a high violent crime rate is because what we define as a violent crime, this would be classed as a violent crime in the UK http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/off-topic/irishs-first-good-deed-of-... but in other parts of Europe like Spain it wouldn't. If you give a cop lip in Spain he'll slap you and it's in no way classed as a violent crime but here in the UK they would be. In the UK even if you don't have any injuries whatsoever you can still be classed as a victim of violent crime. If we used the same definition as other countries it would be one of the lowest rates in the world.
StevebIf you have a 3D printer you can make your own gun. People have been making them already, check out the videos on youtube.
those guns suck, more expensive than a "real" gun and fail after a few shots, though they are made of composite plastic and could get by a metal detector, good for some applications I guess
StevebYou only need to make the lower receiver with the 3D printer. The rest you can buy regular metal parts. People have done it and shot 2000 rounds out of a rifle with no problems.
I'm not giving up my guns NO MATTER WHAT! And you can read into that whatever you want. Those of you saying "why do you need guns?" I don't have to explain it to you, it's my birthright as an American to own guns.
No ones said anything about removing the second amendment, just military type weapons that are designed for people in a warzone like the AR-15. If no one in the US had that type of weapon why would you need one? To defend against someone? If you need an assault rifle to defend yourself then you're in serious shit.
Take a civilian ar-15 into combat, let me know how that works out for you. Most will fail if you run the nato ball thru them because the operating pressure is higher and the gas tubing isnt designed to handle the heat. They arent select fire, they have lighter components, etc. THEY ARENT MILITARY-TYPE WEAPONS. Explain to me how a semi-auto ar-15 shooting .223 Remington is more dangerous than an M1 Garand shooting .30.
I use my ar-15s for competition shooting, sport shooting, and tyranny protection. Anyone who tells you they use their rifle for home defense is either a liar or doesnt have neighbors. The crooks on the streets arent carrying ar15s because they are way too damn expensive and for their purposes, a mossberg 500 (300 dollars) or a keltec POS pistol (cheap) or a highpoint POS pistol (cheaper) are just as effective. So you kinda gotta wonder why the folks in washington are so scared of them? If I ever need it to defend myself with my m4, I will acknowledge, yes, I will probably be in some serious shit: in this scenario, however, it is likely that the government, and the unarmed, will be in some seriously deeper shit.
Okay the gun I said might be a bad example but still my point is perfectly relevant.
What scenario do you think you'll ever need your m4? Unless you're in the military, police or a hitman I can't see anyone needing it.
against tyranny!
ALL weapons are "military style weapons." The knife you use to cut your chx up is made of way better steel with a way better age than the military weapons from the 16th century. Many people every year are stabbed with them. We should ban them. Single-fire breach loading weapons were the very best that the turn of the 20th century militaries could field. They kill people every year. Ban all hunting rifles. The modern automatic handgun (glock, sig, springfield) has the same firepower that 2 squads of regulars from the American Civil War could have applied. Ban all handguns. The only thing that differentiates ar15s, scars, acrs, etc from these other weapons is the type of people who own them generally dont trust the government, and most of us were trained by the government in how to use them. We scare the hell out of the government. As one of Obama's appointee's said in 2009, "Never let a good tragedy go to waste." Gotta use the emotion stemming from the sandy hook shooting to ban assault rifles (even though he used pistols).
Martial law, economic collapse, disease outbreak, natural disaster, etc, etc. You dont see the need for YOU to have it. I see the scenario where I MAY need it, and therefore choose to have it. Is MY rifle hurting you, in any way, shape or form? No. So why worry about whether I have one? Unless its sneaking out and killing folks while Im at work, its a non-issue.
AnonOk look first of all, Im willing to bet I have more tools than just about anyone here so I know very well what tools are. So dont blow fucking smoke up my ass by telling me your gun is a tool. A gun is a weapon and its sole purpose is to kill. Just because a chisel could be jammed in to your head, or a ball peen hammer could be used to crush a skull, does not put guns and hammers in the same category. Tools are used to repair and build, guns are used to kill and destroy.
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, let me tell you there has been more than one night I have been awoken by a strange sound, shoved 5 shells in to a short barreled 12 gauge and went to check it out. Luckily nothing has ever come of it, but I know what it feels like to want to defend your family and home.
The reality as I have mentioned before, is 99.99 % of all threats that I will face can not be defended by a gun. From illness, to my mortgage, to drunk drivers and the tax man, none of those things can be fended off with a gun.
I eat tons of steak, I love naked sluts, Im willing to bet my car is faster than yours, I own guns , I spank my children and obviously I shoot my self full of roids ,so dont go painting me with some broad brush to fit your stereotype of a liberal or democrat.
There is no reason guns should not be licenced and the mental health of the owner examined. There is no good reason anyone needs to walk in to a store and out with a .44
Assault weapons had a ban before and it didnt result in any tyranical government taking over so why now ?
My biggest beef with gun rights advocates is this dellusion that your all Dirty Harry ! The delusion that your gun is keeping you safe ! Have your guns, enjoy your guns, go hunt that duck or deer, but dont for one second think you will fend off an army or somehow lead some rebelious act to end government tyrany. This free country is hardly free, this and many governments before it threaten you in far more dangerous ways than stripping your AR15 from you closet.
sgtstedankoSo, by your mindset. When you drop your hammer on your foot. Do you 1st blame your hammer for hurting you. Or, do you rather blame your foot for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, brother. Don't be stupid. This free country is the greatest & best country on gods green earth. & is exponentially safer w/armed citizens. My weapon keeps me safe 99.9% of the time, but that .1% will kill you, if you don't have the proper mindset. Be prepared... Not everyone that believes in the constitution is in a militia. Here's an idea. How about licensing overly stupid or crazy people again. Locking them up. Instead of not wanting to hurt anybody's feelings? Sorry if I missed the point. I honestly just skim read...
AnonThen why doesnt it have the lowest crime rate in the world ? Exponentially lower or not.
By my mind set you say ? Bullshit where did I say its the guns fault where did I say it would be the hammers fault. But if someone is so fucking stupid that they drop their hammer on their foot maybe they shouldnt have a hammer.
This is the problem with you fucking gun nuts, the mere mention of asking gun owners to get a licence or a mental health certification and you start painting this whack job picture that Obama will be knocking on your door soon to collect your weapons
Your weapon keeps you safe 99% of the time ? Fuck that if I thought I needed a weapon 99% of my life Id fucking move. So today you pulled your gun on someone ? Yesterday you pulled your gun on someone ?
As far as locking up crazy people Im all for it, fuck their feelings. Peoples feelings are given far too much concern in this country. Call the fat motherfuckers fat, the lazy fucks lazy, and the crazy people crazy.
sgtstedankoBig fucking sigh I ask of you this. I want you to go to the FBI website, & search statistics on guns/violence. Look to see how all the states w/the strictest gun control are still the states w/the most gun violence. Also how, in the past 20 years violence using a gun as the weapon of choice (murder, etc, etc, etc) has gone down like 49%. Just not in the states that are:
A. Largely democratic
B. Strictest gun control
C. Harsher penalties for gun crimes, etc, etc, etc
Why is this, you may ask yourself. Because the people (criminals) that you want to play nicely & by the rules never have & never will. (criminals get their guns illegally)
I think you're right about mental health checks. But at the end of the day. Imho, Somebody already has a little too much power. You use a hammer. I use a different tool. I will gladly buy you a 1st class ticket to anywhere else you & your family would like to live. Seriously... I recommend Germany circa 1920. You'd fit right in. I'm done arguing w/you. It's been real. Have a pleasant evening... Cheers - Sarge
x2 Yr my hero Sgt. mwah you actually dont need to justify yr argument to this guy or any for that matter....its our constitutional right to bear arms...the second amendment was never about duck hunting it was about protecting us from tyranny.....Germany was unarmed see how well that worked out for them...." oh wait that was GERMANY that wld never happen in America.....no sir USA USA USA! morons....
AnonGive me a link so I review exactly what you want me to review. I did find some FBI info, but lets see which you are talking about.
Till then verify this from the LA times
Louisiana doesn't just lead the nation in gun killings, it's No. 1 with a bullet: 8.8 firearm murders per 100,000 residents were reported in 2011, roughly double the number of the next-highest state. Louisiana's gun laws are also extremely permissive. The Brady Center gives it 2 points on its rating of the scope of state gun laws, making it tied for 47th in the country on gun control. Coincidence? You decide.
Ill be the first to tell you my guns are weapons. What bugs me is these gun grabber people say we dont need m4s because they are somehow more super deadlierest than all other weapons. Theater shooter in CO was close range with an ar15 and discharged around 50 times. That doesnt scare me a whole lot, I carry everywhere I go, and unless he picks me first out of the 100 people, I know Ive got a shot. The notion that somehow a "hunting rifle" is less dangerous than this is startling. Remember the DC sniper? That scares the hell out of me. An AR15 has an effective range of 200-400 yards in the hands of someone who has trained with it. In some nutjobs hands, squeezing the trigger as fast as he can, less than 50 yards. Dude in Aurora theater shot 2+ magazines in a couple minutes in a very, very high density population locked in a box and killed 12. Somebody with a vantage point in an urban area, with a bolt action rifle, effective out past 600yds with an oil filter over the end of the barrel is far more dangerous.
McCrystal spoke true: the 5.56 rd can be deadly because of its velocity (3200fps) and it will tumble and cavitate like a mofo. But I dont hunt deer with that round, because it doesnt hold a candle to the killing power of a single 30-06. The argument that the .223/5.56 was designed to kill and maim, and the rounds that a hunting rifle shoots werent is just garbage. Id expect better from a guy with that many stars on his collar. Anyone who reads the federalist papers and the private writings of Jefferson, Lee, etc, can see their intent with second amendment is to discourage the very tyranny they fought to escape. If these people trying to take away "assault" weapons (redundant) were really looking to take away the most deadly weapons, there wouldnt be the CMP handing out M1 garands, M14s, and theyd take anything that shoots a projectile at all. Tell a Hog that 20 al queda with AKs are more dangerous than he and his spotter, and see him laugh at you and then hit the button on your garage door opener when you get home from a thousand yards away.
My point is this: saving lives is not their goal or they would attack it a different way. These are the same people who spent months and months determining whether baseball players had juiced up. Like you said, this government has devolved into a nasty oligarchical shell of what it was designed to be and the folks in power dont like the thought of civilians who can fight back with a broad range of weapons just like they dont like steroids in America's Pasttime
The general is just dribbling bullshit out of his mouth because he's
A) trying to remain relevant anyway he can
B) positioning himself for political office.
Brother, I could inflict as much damage with a shotgun loaded with five shell of 00 buck shot that I could with an AR-15 with a 30 round clip.
I'm not under the illusion that I could protect my home from fricken blackhawk helicopter full of Navy Seals with night vision, infrared imaging, and all of that gobbly goop. However, Collectively we as an armed people will never be challenged by a government. We own our government it does not own us.
The government will probably never just say:"Alright folks, turn in all your guns. They are done." They will however go after them a piece at a time. First "Scary" looking Semi Autos then semi autos in general, then all pistols, They will look at bullets and pass laws and taxes to keep them out of the hands of everyone.
Little infringements at a time until the rights are gone. What do the people do 150 years from now when say a tyrannical government is running the show? They become their bitches. How the hell could people let someone like Adolf hitler into power? WTF? It happened sure as shit, and hey he took the guns too. I wonder why?
AnonWell thats why when I hear a bump in the night, the first thing I grab is the 12.
Ive been on the recieving end and believe me, nothing cuts through the dark like the sound of that pump loading the first shell in to the chamber.
Exactly. People need to stop living in candy land. It is up to the citizens to keep this country free.
AnonThen where the heck have you been the last 30 years ? Because since my awarenes this country is hardly what Id call free or a democracy.
An oligarchy is more like it. Bottom line is it does seem to be the best system in the world, just dont go calling it a bunch of roses when there a puddle of sewage that comes with it.
Lol well brother I am only 23 years old but I can see clear as day where we are headed. Everything is implemented a little bit at a time. First it's the "Patriot" Act then comes NDAA then it's lets take the simi auto riffles next will be fuck it lets take all the guns. We need to wake up and say fuck no to this shit. It is our future at stake.
Oh yea and then comes NSA spying on everyone...
I'm with you man. Fuck this shit
Move to another country if your so convinced your doomed
That's real good just tell me to move countries instead of addressing the situation at hand. Lol go back to sleep.
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Thank you brother
I wish I could speak English as well as you do, you just summarized what I've been trying to say here for about an hour
I totally agree the mental health of any potential gun owner should be examined prior to a purchase of ANY gun. however i dont think some should be punished bec there are some bad people out there that use ar-15 to kill people. handguns are used in far more violent crimes then ar-15 rifles. If your a responsible citizen , there should be no reason you should have your gun taken bec some asshole goes and shoots people
"If your a responsible citizen , there should be no reason you should have your gun taken bec some asshole goes and shoots people".
It wasn't just people that got shot and killed, they were babies!! Go tell that to the 22 families who lost love ones. I want my assault rifle!!!!
How the fuck do you Americans justified the right to have assault weapons that can fire up to 100 bullets per second? what's next? you guys wanna have the right to carry all your personal nuclear bomb in case the government wants to attack you? Fucking ridiculous, that guy in Newtown would never have killed that many children if he didnt have an assault weapon, you guys are completely nuts and paranoid, thinking the government wants to conquer you and what not. Shit like "To conquer a nation first disarm its citizens" is not only completely stupid but also dangerous, IMO you guys deserve whats happening to you
zewiYeah instead of a gun.. he could have just got firtilizer and a few othe compounds filled a van up.. and ran it right into the school hallway..
Are you fucking serious right now..
A NUT JOB IS A NUT JOB--HE DOESNT NEED A GUN TO DO NUT JOB SHIT----
I get your point very well, still, it makes it way easier for the "nut" to kill more people if he has easy access to a powerful weapon, I just don't think its worth it, but thats my personal opinion.
Lol. Spoken like a man who has been conquered by his government.
Live free or die brother.
100 bulletts per second. Pffftt. Spoken like a man who knows nothing about our gun laws or guns in general.
According to you guys's logic, it should be OK to all have nuclear bombs in case someone tries to attack you, where is this gonna end?
more guns = less crime
thats exactly where you are mistaken!!!
how can you prove this? what are the facts behind such affirmation???
http://www.infowars.com/statistics-prove-more-guns-less-crime/
propagandaaaa, candy for the paranoids!
AnonThat link just made my macafee and MS warning system go berzerk , you think its a conspiracy of MCafee to push a liberal agenda ;)
lol for some reason , it was happening to me too yesterday, i dont know why, theres usually no prob with that site, maybe hackers messin around w his site??? idk
Brother a few years ago, one crazy man bombed the Oklahoma City building. That bombing killed 168 people. 19 of which were children.
He built the bomb out of fertilizer and deisel fuel. He ignited the bomb with dynamite. Dynamite that is heavily restricted by law for the average man to use. He obtained it illegally.
Do we start banning diesel fuel? Fertilizer? No, diesel fuel didn't committ the crime, the crazy bastard that did it killed those people.
It's crazy people brother. If a crazy person wants to obtain a gun illegally, he will be able to do it. Gun control only takes the guns out of the hands of the law abiding citizens. Not the criminals. Steroids are heavily restricted in the US.
How hard are they to get?
People kill people. Guns don't kill people.
I get your point brother asn what you are saying makes sens, still I dont think that more guns is the solution to anything
What if one of those teachers in Conneticut would have been trained with a firearm and had a license to concealed carry? Kept the gun out of reach of the children and was incredibly responsible? Would that have stopped that guy? You bet your ass it would have. That guy folded the second he heard sirens.
AnonFirst of all, how much training does it take to stay level headed in a fire fight ? Are you joking, the cops I know say theyve never even drawn their weapon, let alone had to keep a cool head while being shot at, and now you want Mrs Crabtree to whip out her .38 snub nose from her chalk drawer ? Get serious ED, have you met any teachers lately ? I fight with the pricipal and admistrators of my sons school all the time, and let me tell you none of them are who I want defending my sons.
I would rather them have a chance with a teacher armed then have no chance at all!
AnonI happen to think the real point here , which you ,me and everyone arguing gun rights issues is missing, is why ?
Why are things like this taking place ? Guns have been around forever, nut jobs have always existed, but now more than ever they seem to be acting on their insanity.
The real question we should all be asking is what the fuck is going on in our culture ?