Intro, Blast & Cruise Questions. 32 y/o on TRT protocol.
Hi guys, new to the site so I figured an intro was in order. 32 years old, 6'0, 189 lbs, Father of 2 young kids, married, MD prescribed TRT protocol. Total T as of last BW was 178. I'm prescribed T-cyp 200mg E2W. I feel like it isn't doing me a damn thing. The highest I've tested on this protocol was a total T level of 680. So I'm taking matters into my own hands, and am seriously considering a blast. I really could use the kick in the gym and especially the bedroom because I'm never really even horny anymore. I was for about a month on this protocol and now I'm almost back to the starting point with no libido again. Any of you TRT guys here have a similar situation? I would like to blast at 400mg a week, using T-Cyp or Test-E for 12-14 weeks. I would also be using HcG, and have arimidex or some other AI on hand as needed for sides. Seeing as how I'm already on a protocol I'm not too worried about PCT after the blast. Thoughts, ideas? Thanks for looking and I'm happy to be here.
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I'm pretty much in the same boat as you boss. My Doc is a prick and I am taking matter into my own hands. I've been on 2ml / 400mg every 3 weeks. He tells me every 4, but I come in every 3. I feel the same way as you, like shit. Although, I got some vestibular shit going on which contributes to the malaise.
My baseline is about the same as you.
TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 174 L 250-1100 ng/dL
LS/MS/MS
FREE TESTOSTERONE 24.4 L 35.0-155.0 pg/mL
I need some info on the Blast/Cruise cycles. What does that look like on a per week basis, etc.
GearofWarFirst self-shots are up if anyone wants to check em out..15 karma now w00t!
GearofWarAn update for anyone listening: I've since totally gone in a different, self guided direction in regards to this TRT protocol. I almost totally forgot about this thread, lol. I'm currently blasting at close to a gram of test per week, Deca was cycled in, and I use Aromasin 15mg caps on an as-needed basis when I get test bloat(barely ever). I'm freaky/lucky when it comes to gyno as I've found out. I'm one of those people you hear about that just doesn't get gyno. Not gyno prone whatsoever. Since this post my weight has gone from 189 up to 204 of solid, solid build. T levels were at 1284 when using 500mg T-Cyp EW, but I haven't had bloods since switching to Test-E and bumping up to 1000mg EW. I can only imagine, lol. I could use a solid source on Caber boys, if anyone would be so kind as to hit me up with a PM, FR and some info I would love you forever(no homo).
Sent you a fr, just let me know if you found that caber.
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Im a noob and Learning all this as I states im ob trt butt 100mg a week sounds high even fof a cycle, I know it's been done just saying.. How do you feel now while on cycle? Penis pumpu g good? Slpha feeling foing it's part? Curious as im going to blast at 500mg a week soon... God luck Best regards Dray!!
GearofWarI feel pretty good on blast, for sure. Not as good as I had it built up in my head but I do know that there is an optimal dosage of test for "feeling good" and it's typically a lot lower than 1 gram per week, lol. I just said, 'fuck it' I'm going huge and building crazy muscle dammit! Just because you dump a bunch of test into your system doesn't always mean that you'll feel better the more you add IMO. I added so much because it was pretty rare for me to feel great, mentally anymore so I just decided that if I wasn't going to have that feeling I was at least going to get strong. But, I do feel yards better than I used to so its working out pretty good. Libido while not totally roaring right at the moment is very healthy and I bang my wifey at least 6 times per week which I feel is pretty respectable after being together for 13 years and having 2 young kids.
As I've stated, even using a gram per week I don't use an AI regularly. Don't use me as an example because I'm weird when it comes to gyno and be sure to at least have an AI on hand for sides if you bump your Test intake up, it's a must. You don't wanna be called "Bitch Tits Bob" do ya?!
Im 28 and my test was at 340 or 334 one of the two,anyway the doc put me on cyp 400mg every two weeks, after researching I desided 200mg a week will do better I feel great but I did ask about an AI and was told i dont need it at that dose.. Will see what the bw shows in two months anyway man I feel our pain. And hope my alpha feelings keep up. Good luck let us know how things turn out.
When I was 41 (currently 45) I started TRT. My first bloods prior to any TRT had my total test at 387. Doc had me on 200 mg test, 100 mg deca per week. He also started me on aromasin. It def kept estradiol down. I think at one point though it was too low. Keep us posted.
You may be alright on 200mg bro, at 400mg the chances of needing an ai would be greater. As long as you don't have the main estrogenic effects such as gyno, bloat etc you should be fine but keep the blood work up.
Try taking Aburaihan test e , the stuff works wonders
I had a total test of 2058, free 375, don't recall SHGB, estriadol of 84. Dr was aware of use of UGL TRT treatment by me before I began with him. Those were lab result after 1 month on his TRT pellets. He put me on some vegetable pill (DIMM) to help with free test & asked if I was using my AI. I told him no because I was doing this completely legit. He told me to get back on it, ADEX .5mg e3d. Within a week I felt great again. Can't really determine what is needed without complete bloodwork, my $.02. I've heard that while on TRT many men have to ask Dr about AI.
One more thing about DIM, basically can get much of the same benefits from it from eating broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage & cauliflower.
Here are a few links that can better explain it than me.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/215001-what-is-a-dim-supplement/
http://www.earthturns.com/DIM-Hormone-Replacement-Therapy-a/160.htm
http://www.bioresponse.com/Home.asp
I take the bio-response version.
ive been on trt for 4 years now. i had the same symptoms as you. i felt great for first several months. then shit,also thought my gear was no good. i started taking more, but felt worse. long story short it was my estrogen.started arimidex .25mg e3d. and started feeling better. its sad how many doctors dont completely understand how to treat low t correctly.
Similar situation as you. I stopped with the AI's all together but after reading some of this stuff I decided to resume. So far, I've taken 2 days of aromasin (12.5 mg ed) Do you continually take the anastrazole? How long before you noticed improvement? Thanks
GearofWarSo yeah guys, I'm wanting to blast for strength and aggro in the gym and I was hoping that libido would rise greatly as a nice side effect of the blast. I'm also not feeling at all positive. I'm pretty much still bummed out most all of the time like before I started TRT now. For a little while when I switched from Testim gel to T-Cyp IM I felt pretty damned good. You know the feeling: Positive, energetic, patient with the kids, mentally sharp, feeling like "I'm the shit!" and horny as all hell with spontaneous wood just from looking at some nice looking ladies out at lunch, lol! Any ideas on what might be causing this crash now? Will blasting help get those other feelings back, in addition to packing in solid muscle? Thanks!
I'm 42 and had the same, no sex drive, irritable, not mentally sharp at all, being with the kids just wound me up, real sore bones and muscles every morning, I felt like an old man. I did some sustanon, 250 mg/week and felt like a super hero. However, it was a transient effect for about a month, I then thought the sustanon I purchased was bunk and I'd gotten a good couple of vials initially.
I am now on 200mg sustanon/week (I may reduce further), 2 x 250 IU of HCG/week and 0.5mg Arimidex EOD, and I may reduce this last part futher again. I am 12 weeks into the journey, and feel great.
What I am trying to say is, take your blood test, look at test, free test, SHBG, and Estrogen, I had a 18 year old's test level, but it was not translating to free testosterone, have a diary on how you feel. I suspect, you have shut down your natural test production and are now living on injection only, which injecting every 2 weeks means you'll feel good for a couple of days then crash.
Talk to your doctor and do a lot of reading on the net, I would specifically recommend Dr John Crisler's protocol (which I am doing at variant of), you can find it on the net. Everyone is different, but be positive, you've found the problem, you've seen a positive effect from treatment, you can fine tune it, use the diary and talk to the wife, but it will take time and patience,
GearofWarYes, Crisler's protocol is the "Gold Standard" of TRT at the moment it would seem. According to everything you guys are saying it definitely seems, and feels as if I may be having SHBG/Estrogen issues. See the big problem with my doc is that she's very basic and will not order a Sensitive Assay E2 test, so I have no idea where my E2 levels stand. And before anyone tells me to find a new doc, I've already been to 2 different ones, including a urologist, who seemed to care even less than my PCP. I'm bound by insurance due to $$ issues as are most people nowadays, so going to a TRT clinic is out of the question for me right now. I may just save some $ up and pay privatemd labs for an E2 sensitive assay test. So in theory, lower E2 via an AI to lower SHBG to free up usable test? Thanks again men!
680 is up there man x2 with fast. I'de check the SBGT as well estro and make sure your not just having free test issues. If thats the case you may want to add a gel to your shots.
Just taking more test is not the solution to your problem. I've been in the 200's for years and still had plenty sex drive and motivation, not great, but it wasn't at all like your describing. hope that helps..
Same complaint as others. 200 every 2 Weeks....switch to 100ew. Level you out first. 680 on test is up there! Just that the fluctuations are killin ya. Whats your estro levels?
Don't tell your doctor you want more frequent injections. Just tell him you feel alright for about 5 days after a shot then for the next 10 days feel like shit until your next shot.
Basically just tell him it is messsing with your sex drive, motivation, and drive. Ask if 100mg per week would be possible instead of 200mg every 2 weeks
200mg of test cyp every 2 weeks won't do crap but give you mood swings. That stuff needs to be injected twice a week to keep stable test levels, your doc should be kicked in the nuts for wasting your time and money. 100mg (even 50mg twice a week is better than what hes doing for you) twice a week would have you feeling great.. Before you take things into your own hands try telling him you want the stuff injected more frequently.. He might have a change of heart and the best thing for you is working with a doctor.
Are you primarily blasting for strength/physique reasons? Or just for increased sex drive? If it's for sex drive, a buddy of mine who's on TRT at 100mg/wk, was also complaining about his sex drive (mostly his wife was), so a few months ago, I started swinging by his house every other week, and injecting him with an extra 250mg of Test c. It didn't seem to help, but that may be because his e2 was high as he doesn't use an AI. So I got him some Proviron, and that did the trick at 50mg/day. FYI.
GearofWarThat's awesome info! I've been reading into Proviron and have heard its very synergistic when used with Test. Almost a perfect "stack" so to speak. I wanted to hear real world experience of someone who uses these 2 compounds together, and it sounds like it works nicely as I suspect it would have. So your buddy is doing well using 50mg of mesterolone ED?
Did you ever try the Proviron? Got my hands on some and think I'll give it a try.
Yes, he likes it. It took about a week or so before he really felt it, though. Some guys like to use 100mg/day, and others just use 25mg/day. You might start at 25mg/day, and see if that's sufficient. There's no sense in spending more money than necessary.
thats the same as i am perscribed but found the same thing so i dose my self at 150 per week and feel great
mr127superdeei run 200mg weekly and it puts me just over 1000 points of test 150mgs of test weekly will definetly work you should be around 800