Tren/Test Ratio
Okay so ive heard so many different ratios for a tren/test cycle. I want to know what the best ratio is for a trenbolone cycle. Ive heard guys say 2:1 test:tren, 2:1 tren:test, 4:1 tren:test ect, ect... I know tren and test go after the same receptors, and that trenbolone wins most of the time, so what would be the best ratio to balance that out and obviously keep your libido up throughout the cycle? Or is there no real specific answer because eveybody reacts/responds different to each compound? Im 26, 6'0 217 16% BF And have many cycle under my belt but only one tren cycle. I ran tren 75mg ED and test prop 50 ED and had great results. I also ran aromasin at 10mg EOD and HCG 500IU. All for a 10 week cycle plus 4 weeks of PCT. Any info/opinions would be much appreciated!
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Mate as the Kodiakqueen has said. No one person utilizes (metabolizes) gear the same way. That being said from what I understand on the Tren issue it should be considerably higher than test. Why would you take 600mg of Test if Tren is winning the majority of receptors and the test is just getting pissed out at the end of the day. Just my opinion. What you need to do is try different dosing protocols from cycle to cycle and find that sweetspot yourself. Good luck with it
Tren by far outpowers test in competition for receptors. The problem here is that you want us to make a blanket statement regarding something that has no absolutes. If you found your sweet spot, then my telling you what a good ratio is happens to be quite meaningless. The generality would be to say to run your tren or test either much higher or much lower than the other. It is often noted that when done so, the side effects that people complain about so often with tren are either non existent or minimal.
^^ this!
LOOKS LIKE YOU ANSWERED YOU'RE OWN QUESTION. EVERY ONE IS DIFFERENT AND IF IT WORKS THEN USE IT.
What's the minimum amount of Test in mg per week would you guys recommend? I was planning on running 250 mg Test and 375 mg Tren per week but if most of that Test will convert to estrogen I don't see the point so I was thinking that I should lower it some more. Libido and tren dick are not a concern to me for now but I know that I still need a bit of test for normal bodily functions since I will be shut down pretty hard. From my research most people recommend 100-250 mg of Test per week but I think that 175 mg should be enough. Thoughts?
cdaddy7I def think thats a great dose. You just need enough to keep the levels functional and ur shaft stiff. But to agree with Nitti. More info needed to dial you in
It's different for everyone my man. And it isn't the protocol to run more tren than test. I don't want anyone to take my words or any other vets words and run with them. Test is a must in any cycle. At what ratio will differ from person to person and compound to compound. If you give some more info including stats and cycle history, maybe someone else will help u out
27
215 lb
13% bf (per calipers)
Previous cycles:
Test P/Anavar (cutting)
Test E/D-Bol kicker (bulking)
Test P/Anavar (cutting)
I also messed around with short PH and ostarine cycles a few years back. Current goal is to get a lot stronger (size is secondary goal). After I'm done cutting in a month I'm shooting for 5000 calories/500 grams of protein per day. I have all the necessary ancillaries such as T3, blood pressure aids, HCG, caber etc. (all pharma grade) for this cycle.
Holy Hell! 500G of protein? That's a lot. I'm sure your farts smell great, lol. Honestly bro, i wouldnt suggest tren given your history. I would recommend an aggressive Test/NPP cycle for your goals. You have never run a 19-nor. Always start with nandrolone. Learn how you react to it. Find your sweet spot. Gauge your results. Consider tren for a little later down the road. NPP is an awesome compound!
X2 THROW OUT STATS AND INCLUDE CYCLE HISTORY.
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Ive heard a lot of people say that running tren ED instead of EOD makes fur a much smoother cycle with less harsh sides. Anyone agree with that statement?
Yes, i found my sweet spot to be 80mg of Tren a ED. Everything runs smoother. I'm also a fan of more ren than test but not a ton more. The below statement is true. Tren has a much higher binding affinity than test so it wins the fight for most receptors. Lower doses of test with tren reduces sides and creates more stability all around for me
cdaddy7Yessir my man, that's truth for me. I found if I cut the eod dose in half and shoot that everyday then it makes the cycle ride a lot smoother for me. I even find the aggression to be toned down a notch. The key for me is to lower the test and inject the tren Ace every day. Of course you will feel like a human pin cushion, but I always say there is a price for success
Not sure you'll find a perfect ratio. Just play around and find out what works best for you. I've found that lower test and higher tren is better for me--result wise and not health wise. For example, my best cycle so far has been test e 250mg/w and tren e 600mg/w. However, be prepared to see your lipids get wrecked and hematocrit skyrocket into the high 50s running this exact cycle! You'll be tearing shit up in the gym running this much tren. Good luck man.
For me its as simple as i cannot do cardiovascular training on tren... Period. When cutting I use low amounts of tren to a test base of 750 every 6 days of ling esther test. When bulkung i will go in the future as I am still learning a gram of tren e every 6 days to 1500 of ling esther test. Some will say overkill but to each their own. In the end tren is dangerous, not really needed and its value is Subjective. Find what works for you and it will help you Excel.
i dont know why people have a problem with cardio on tren, it never seems to bother me other then sweating like a hooker in church
because people fuss so much about test to tren ratio, it made me think of something. when introducing tren it should obviously be introduced at a low dose, say about 250mg/week. but if you are only using it with test, then what, you use a lot more test? like 500mg/week? the problem is they compete for the same receptors. what if a first tren cycle were to look like this:
test e 1-8: 500mg/week
test e 9-16: 250mg/week
bold 1-14: 500mg/week
tren a 9-16: 250mg/week
^this is just an idea for a first time tren user with many cycles worth of experience. dont get mad at it
i was just thinking its dumb to run high test with little tren because they compete for receptors. but for someone with 10 cycles worth of experience, this could be an alternative to doing tren a with a higher dose of test for their first time on the "tren train".
Considering the number of dodgy tren cycles that have been kicking about lately, I think this is a great post to discuss. Lots of different ideas on ratios over time, so good to see the consensus of opinion - Hopefully it will help those that are GENUINELY READY to use Tren in the best way possible.
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zewi" I ran tren 75mg ED and test prop 50 ED and had decent results."
Decent It should have been more than Decent. Two things you BF is high, and your Diet must not be in check.
I run test p @ 50mg and tren A @ 100mg to 150mg.
Regardless your cycle should have show amazing results---something else is off.
I did have great results, i guess i should have reworded that. I was down to 190 and about 8% bf. I took over a year off from the gym and gained a ton of bf, totally lost control with drinking all the time and eating horrible amounts of bad food, but have since then been back into my routine for almost 9 months, lost a solid 30lbs of BF and and hitting it harder that ever right now. Also havent had a drink in 6 months. My diet in on tract and im hitting the gym 2 on 1 off and doing an hour of cardio after every workout.
cdaddy7Why not consider a couple of simpler cycles to get you back in the swing of things. Jumping into a tren cycle to me just doesnt make sense even if you have ten cycles bc u have had a bit of a break and just now coming back. I would def consider the options over Tren for now
Im actually finishing up my second cycle since the break. First was just a sustanon cycle and this one was prop and mast. I loved the one tren cycle i did and felt great throughout it. Im not looking to do a tren cycle for a 2 - 3 months but i want to do as much research as possible now so im ready for it. If its anything like the last one it will be a breeze but im definitely expecting the worst (as far as sides go) and hoping for the best.
cdaddy7Good deal. Just lookin out for my brother
Thanks bro
cdaddy7No make no mistake, Tren wins everytime and binds hard and strong to the androgenic receptors leaving you with lots of free test floating around to convert to estro. The reason for the lower test is bc it will lessen the shut down in the sense you won't get "TrenDick". The more test the more sides as well. I definitely like my tren higher than test and prefer Test P over Test E or C. Because I only use Tren A bc I can control it and if I don't like the sides I can drop it and in less than a week back to good as opposed to running Tren E and having sides that you are stuck with for two weeks. U follow me? Now if you have not had more than TEN cycles under your belt then you need to find a alternative. Tren is a complex and serious compound that can really jack you up. Choose wisely. And to follow Vikings request I will give no cycles or anymore general info than that
Thanks for the info and ive had exactly 10 cycles under my belt, including the one tren cycle i listed above. And i didnt get the bad sides i always hear about, night sweats, tren dick ect but did see an increase of aggression which i dont mind cause i just direct it to my workouts.
zewiX2
Prepare to be bombarded for stats and cycle history... or simply edit/update your post for best response.
Done. I was curious the general ratio for everyone, including me but im assuming the correct ratio would depend on your stats? Thanks