posted Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:45
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Had to post this, was skeptical cuz I dont wanna sound like im whining but its really bothering me. Ive been on a test E/P cycle for 3 wks now. Over the past week and a half Ive been swelling up for a day or two, water retention most likely , but I look good, then ill wake up another day and it looks like im fuckin sucked dry. I dnt understand, im new to UGL's , ive ran a few cycles before with watson/paddock and the water retention and oily skin is constant until I stop. Maybe since my levels are rising it hasnt kicked in all the way yet? Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this. btw its not just water reten that comes and goes, its all the sides. Any help appreciated
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tread-mIf you want to pack on muscle you need to look to a lot of red meat and chicken. You need your essential carbs but as a hard gainer you have to at least give the body the things it needs. Carbs and sugars produce insulin and that increases metaboliism and that burns calories. At least have the beef available to offset that so you can gain.
Ab made a great point about get in and out of the gym. Make sure you go in and hit heavy weight and blow up and fail quicker. this does two things in that you get in and out quicker and you also tell the body and brain "I need bigger muscles because I am lifting heavier weight". That goes back to the beef in large quantity, you now have the raw material to build that muscle when the brain finally gets the message of needing bigger muscles.
As to the ups and downs in water and sides, they are kind of one in the same. Water is good to a small degree and then it becomes a negative. It is some indication you are creating m.ore estrogen in the conversion and that can mean more SHBG which robs free test. Its this roller coaster that is undesired. One of the easiest ways to help control it outside of an AI is water intake. Find an amount of water intake, by logging it, that seems to work on a given day and try to stick to that. Large water intake will cause you to dump water. This means if you have a lot of water ojne day and dump all your water then don't take as much water in the next 2 days and put on water you have found a way of control.
As to sides, much of what are considered sides is due to blood pressure. When. Water rises in your body it constricts blood flow and increases blood prssure and that brings on the other sides. As a start point try to log water intake and see if you can find the sweet spots.
Last, I know you're not prone to gyno but if you are prone to water and if for you that translates to estrogen rising and SHBG rising then I would say reconsider on the AI or aromasin as to your opinion of it. It is not merely a gyno drug, in fact, that is a very small percentage of its use. It is used by most builders to help with quality and health. Balance in everything you have going on in your body is reflected heavily in yoru cycle success.
Wow, thanks tread, I really have been doing the opposite in the gym as far as weight goes. And I will deff keep in mind about the AI. Starting tmrw im gonna tweak my diet and start consuming more meats, I havent been eating hardly any red meat just a lot of chicken. And sugar, are u saying its ok that I eat more sugar? Obv in moderation of course, but I havent been eating any sweets really
tread-mWell we have to get a little sugar even in a strict builders diet but I would say a little sugar with your creatine if you use that and a little post workout. A 6 meal a day program is very effective and again, meat. Chicken is fine but red meat is heavy bulk protein. One way of thinking is large amounts of red meat to go heavy bulk and then switch to chicken later to pull in a little better quality and then switch to fish to cut. Many do that in that order in a single cycle. I don't mind the red/chicken combo and it is healthier than all red obviously. Very achievable program there thoughb but keep in mind, some of the biggest builders eat between 5 and 8 lbs of day of meat alone. So some variation of that for your weight is where success is. So if you eat 1 pound a day and stop achieving move it to 1.5. Stop achieving there and go to 2 lbs a day and so on. I'm a hard gainer so for me to grow I had to learn to eat over time and that meant increase calories in meat once I figured out the balances in everything else. If you have to skip a meal then protein shakes are a must in its place but meat is always the preferred protein.
Ok , im gna take ur advice and start eating exactly like that. Id say I eat a pound of meat a day, my goal for the next week is to eat 2lbs of meat per day, thats the goal so most likely ill end up eating 1.5 lbs. Thx tread ill def update in 1-2 wks to state any changes that im sure will probably come with this tweaked diet
sounds like your over doing the AI, try dosing at .25mg eod or every 3rd day
Not taking an AI. and I will never take an AI unless I totally MUST take one due to onset of gyno, which im not prone to anyways
How consistent is your diet/caloric intake? Are you properly hydrated?
I don't mean these to seem condescending but both can have immediate impacts on your physical appearance. To steal another vet's line, try to think tortoise and the hare in this game and take the long term approach.
U know what, that makes sense becuz my caloric intake earlier this this wk was big, today and yesterday not so much, im hydrated tho. And my diet isnt 'clean' but I have an extremely fast metabolism , I cant stress enough how fast my metabolism is , and becuz of that its ALWAYS been hard to gain weight. So ive been trying to eat a lot of high calorie foods like fast food ajd what not. Does it matter for me if I eat a lot of fast food? I figured that applies to ppl with slow metabolism to not eat fast food. My body type is ectomorph, rather than a mesomorph (ppl who are genetically predisposed to large muscle mass, bigger bone structure and thick tendons) im the opposite of a meso, but not super scrawny. Im about 170lbs give or take, and I train hard in the gym bit not too hard.
If your goal is all out bulk and you are a true hardgainer, then you can eat everything including fast food. However - the old adage of garbage in/out applies and if your diet is filled with a lot of excess empty calories and bad fats you will not have the level of definition you probably want. Some of my friends eat anything and everything in high quantities while bulking but they know what lies in store for them when it's time to lean out. When I am bulking I will indulge in some fast food but it's not frequent.
The toughest thing is if you can't find the discipline at some point after "dirty" bulking to shred it lean, it is highly likely you will find yourself carrying an extra roll around the belly which obviously runs counter to what most of us are trying to achieve. Especially likely if life throws you a curve ball and you have to take a unplanned hiatus from training at some point. Just my .02
Thank u bro, I will keep all of that in mind.
AnonWatch the long training sessions. You'll burn off your gains as energy. Get in and get out Bro.
JtizzleI have noticed the same.. Some is prob in our heads as far as how we look , but the oily skin should be a constant.
Ya, I figured placebo has somethin to do with it, but the thing that made me post this is that my girl even noticed I was a significant amount bigger earlier this wk. Idk ive been in a bad mood all day I know I gotta be patient but its frustrating. Im using good shit supposedly too, im pretty sure u know which sources gear im using. I think diet could play a big part in all this
JtizzleI'm in a shitty mood today too bro.. Keep up the good work bro it will level out soon hopefully...
Nasty81NateI concur...
Ok, thx man u keep it up too