Cycle number 2, couple of questions...
I’m planning my second cycle, intending to start Spring next year.
First, here’s the stats: 36yrs young, 192lbs, 5’8, 10 or 11% BF. I’ve been training for about 8 years.
My first cycle was:
Weeks 1-12 600mg Test E split
Weeks 1-4 50mg DBol split
Weeks 10-14 100mg Test Prop EOD
Weeks 10-14 100mg Masteron EOD
PCT Nolva (40/40/20/20) & Clomid (100/50/50/50)
Adex on cycle as needed (it wasn’t much)
More compounds than is recommended, I know, but an under-dosed bottle of Test E was threatening to de-rail my first cycle. I gained about 17 pounds, and have kept 14 (so far!) And I’m a good bit stronger.
For my second cycle, I want to continue to gain in lean muscle mass with a minimum of bloat. I’m planning to run:
Weeks 1-4 100mg Test Prop EOD
Weeks 1-12 500mg Test E split (may up the dose, but if it’s real deal pharma, should be ok at 500)
Weeks 1-12 500mg Equipoise split
Weeks 13-14 100mg Test Prop EOD
PCT Nolva (40/40/20/20) & Clomid (100/50/50/50)
Adex (or maybe Aromasin) on cycle as required.
My question is about whether to add an oral. I wasn’t that keen on DBol, hence using Prop to kick-start this time, but was wondering whether TBol or Var would be a good addition to the second half of the cycle. I’m happy to run with or without, but would love to hear your opinions, wise eroiders.
My other question is about duration. I’d like to run the EQ for 14 weeks to get the best out of it, and extend the cycle overall by two weeks, but this would mean having to start a little earlier than intended. If my pre-cycle bloods come back ok, I’m happy to do this, even though it means breaking the time-on + PCT = time off formula by a few weeks. What do you guys think?
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AnonIf run properly, deca is pretty mild. go with x2 the test, and Its a pretty solid choice
mazar13-14 weeks for eq is just about right. A) you will be burned out by then so even if it kicks you, there will be diminishing returns, b)running it for over 14 is plain greedy imo. Since you dont want to stay on too long just do the minimum which is 12-14. You will be on for 17 alltogether which is a heavy cycle. To get the best from eq you might have to be on it for 17weeks + but i wouldnt recommend it until your 5-6th cycle at least.
AnonAnd to answer your other question, I would choose var over tbol, IF YOU MUST
Anonplease explain why ..
Anon"IF you must" is a key phrase here. Personally, I would say drop both orals. But some people will do as they please no matter what advice they are heeded. So if he must, I would say var is slightly more mild, as well as more along the lines of being related to what he hopes to gain from this cycle. END STATEMENT ADVICE drop the orals..
I digress
AnonEQ really doesn't POP OUT till week 10/11, if this is the route you choose to go, you're going to have to run these long esters for quite some time. On top of that, you have no idea what adverse reactions you will have, so IF you do.. its gonna be a bitch, especially since it'll be even harder to clear them of your system. Just my thoughts.
AnonHonestly I think you are trying to do too much all at once..making this way more complicated than it should be ..don't add the orals until you can tell me how your body reacts to the test prop/ test e/ and the eq independently of each other...
Cycle looks good, var last 6 weeks of cycle. try it at 50mg/day 1st to see how u react to it 1st. u can bump it up to 80-100mg/day next cycle if need be, keep it low when its ur 1st try at a new compound.
pct wise, i dun think u need clomid for dat high of a dose for a wk, it makes u feel like a gal...seriously...when i go 100mg on it, i feel so emotional. The 1st 3-4 days, dose it at 75, then keep it at 50mg throughout might be better. 3 wks should do fine with clomid imo.
mazarNp mate good luck with your cycle, eq rocks
mazarThe minimum time you can leave till pct is 3 weeks that would be one extra week test and 2 weeks tapper. Ideally though you should leave 4 weeks else you will have a bit too much eq in your pct. Personally i leave 5 weeks so see what works for you. I think 4 is just about right though. Undecylate is a much longer ester than enanthate thats why you leave some space between the two. If you stop them the same day you will have too much eq
mazarDuration is up to you, i would push that eq at least to week 13 since it takes 10 weeks to see the full effects. Then you need to run your test a couple of weeks longer
Week 1-15 test
Weel 1-13 eq
Week 15-17 tprop tapper
Week 10-17 var
You will have to wait 21 weeks though if you got that route. Thankfully eq gains stay for a while. No need to add an oral your tprop kickstart is just fine also your liver will thank you. If you want to add something maybe some anavar towards the end since they synergize very well with eq. Or winstrol would be another option but the longer you go to a cycle the more chances you will shed so winstrol might not be the best idea.