PCT questions?
Hey guys on first cycle and im looking for some good advice on PCT as I have read so many diff things And everytime I turn around I hear something diff. First ill give some brief info on cycle and stats.
35
235 lbs
On 8th week of 12 week test e only cycle
500mg test e/week split 250 sat and 250 wed
.5mg adex on same days as test pin started 4th week
I have nolva for PCT
As of recent I have read nolva is not a good PCT but research before cycle said it was??? Any advice
The Adex has worked wonders for bloat and gyno as I have had very minimal bloat and no gyno to speak of. Blood test last week showed high test levels so I kniw test is good. Plus I have gained about 13lbs libido is very high and I feel much stronger. I want to do this cycle properly and pct off to see how everything is gonna flow but I the future starting next cycle if all goes well I may look into blast and cruise w some HCG as a reg in my cycle?
HcG questions: should I get some now foe this PCT to help nolva? For the future can I use HCG reg during a blast and cruise? Is there a recommended amount of time I can stay on hcg?
Any advice on all this qould be appreciated.
Also next cycle plan is dbol for kickstart weeks 1 -5 and test e 800mg week weeks 1-12. Hcg 500iu 2 times per week and then cruise test e at 250 per week but not sure what maintenance hcg would be?
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VewiWhen to start PCT.. Test p 3 days after last shot, Test E 15 days after last shot.
The Normal PCT--that is tried and true.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Another type of PCT--been tried and true with a little faster recover time
Week 1 PCT 12.5mgAromison EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT 12.5mgAromison EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT 6.25mgAromison EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT 6.25mgAromison EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Another Type of PCT The Vewi Special
Provion 50mg ED (you can even stay on Provion as a bridge to your next cycle)
Week 1 PCT 12.5mgAromison EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT 12.5mgAromison EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT 6.25mgAromison EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT 6.25mgAromison EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
THe HCG Blast PCT
Blast HCG for 10 days 500iu EOD Start PCT 3 days after last HCG shot stay on your AI during the blast HCG converts to estro.
than pick any of the ones above.
I am about to start my first pct . Should I be doing the clomid and nolvadex in the same day . I have seen one pct log where the clomid is done for the first week alone then nolva gets introduced . any advice is appreciated
good PCT!
Could taking both provi and aromasin together drop estro to low? I thought provi also helped to block/lower estro.
Vewio it could everyone is different that's why you can also drop the aromasin you can always change the dose.
So with thw history of clomid being able to boost natty test like it does in reality couldnt it be used alone and maybe even started before test e is completely out of your system? Also cant u use adexIin place of aroma as they both are AI'S? Just trying to learn all this in as much detail as possible. Thanks for all the input. BTW on my cycle I have had no gyno symptoms and my boys are staying pretty strong. They have maybe strunk a little they are probably 2/3 the size they usually are so thats not bad.
Vewi"So with the history of clomid being able to boost natty test like it does in reality couldnt it be used alone and maybe even started before test e is completely out of your system? "
It can be used alone it blocks estor at the pituitary gland the pituitary glad makes more LH which allows your testies to make more test. If test has not cleard your body your body is not converting to LH to natural test.
"Also cant u use adexIin place of aroma as they both are AI'S? "
You sure can its your choice. just watch your dosing you dont want low estor you still need some.
"They have maybe strunk a little they are probably 2/3 the size they usually are so thats not bad."
you still have to start them up regardless.
Great answers so with the answer about clomid nit being useful to start new natty test before test e is out of system. Why do so many say that HCG can help keep natty test up while on cycle or am I misunderstanding? Or does it work differently? Thanks
Vewi"Why do so many say that HCG can help keep natty test up while on cycle or am I misunderstanding? "
HCG keeps your testis running all the time, making LH (lh converts to natural test) however you body is not using it. So if your on HCG through a cycle and go to PCT it is even easier for your body to recover..
Look at this way.. Your testis are a car. When you start a cycle they get cold, cause they get turned off. However, when your on HCG its keeping the engine warm so when you start your PCT your starting from a warm engine instead of a cold engine.
Awesome that makes a lot more sense now with tha y being said can u start HCG late in cycle and still warm them up for pct?
Vewi"Awesome that makes a lot more sense now with tha y being said can u start HCG late in cycle and still warm them up for pct? "
yes you can by week 4 if its a 12 week cycle. and you just have test E and not a test p kicker.
or like i posted above you can do it after your cycle in a 10 day blast of HCG so when you start your Nova and Clomid things are warmed up.
Vewi I have another question as u seem like u are very knowledgeable on all of this. More so than most I have talked to.
I am 35 am having no more kids and have low test naturally. I am considering through lots of research and info from informed folks like yourself in blast and cruise. As I have said in prior posts I have been pretty successful on my test e cycle in the sense that I have had no gyno to speak of and very minimal bloat. My main consideration is this. Instead of PCT I was thinking of dropping to 200mg per week foe 8 weeks at end if week 12 of this cycle and starting blast at 800mg test e week and dbol 30mg wewks 1-4 and adex for AI as I am now and run that blast for another 12 weeks then run clomid and nolva PCT. I am not asking u to tell me what to do but maybe give mw some pros and cons w your knowleadge of all this.
Vewijust get on trt than. forget PCT...
just on your cruise you are doing 2 shots a week to keep bloods level so 100mg monday 100mg thursday.