posted Mon, 06/17/2013 - 08:53
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Test e making me feel like I could eat a horse
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I know this will sound crazy but took my first pin of Test e 3 days ago. Not feeling anything major yet other than my quad being pretty sore but no rash or redness or fever. Anyhow I have noticed today though that I am
Starving after every meal. Eating 500-600 cal 45-60 protein and 20+ fat grams each meal eating every 2 and half hours and I am still hungry??? Never been able to eat like this! I am 6'0 about 225 and about 18% bf. Am I not eating enough for a test e cycle. Is test supposed to make me feel this way so quick? Any input? Anyone else feel like this on test e?
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lol, that just means its working.
Just seems quick! Everyone says its too early to feel it and its prob just psychological? Dont know for sure but I do know im freakin hungry!
Yes! You are on anabolic steroids now, appetite increase is very common.
Awesome! Thanks for the input.
What are you hoping from the cycle? Goals etc.
Bigshanks you and I were talking recently about getting blood work.
I am going to go to a private lab 2 weeks into my cycle. Should I be looking for anything inparticular on my test levels or just that they are in a particular range and should I wait till after pct to get another one to make sure ranges are back to lower more normal range?
Also in the future once I know how test e effects me if it treats me well I would like to look deeper into blasting and cruising OFCOURSE im talking later whn I am more experiences and informed but when u blast and cruise. When u do stop would u follow a normal pct procedure but just expect to do it longer? Also on aroma or adex would u be safe taking that throughout or is that something that is typically not needed during a cruise?
Please know this is all for informational purposes. I am not taking this as gospel or going to go do crazy stuff. I am just trying to learn all I can about gear right now.
Tjanks for all your experienced info
Btw your shoulders and biceps look good! Youve got that round look I want. Would you mind telling me your bi and shoulder workout?
I have trained really hard for about 8 years and just feel ive reached mynatural peek. I would like to gain about 10 to15 lean pounds. I want to see how this cycle goes and maybe do a coupke more in the future.
Current stats 225lbs 18% bf 6ft 16.5 arms about 45 chest.
Goals this cycle
240lbs maintain bf and maybe inch to 1 anf half on arms 2 to 3 on chest.
Not sure whats realistic
Plan 3200 cal 320 protein 225- 275 cabs 90to 100 fat intake daily
everything ive studied suggests gear will help give muscles a more rounded look which is another goal. I am pretty stout not for nat build but flat look to muscles.
What do you think about goals and the hunger?
Oh and cycle is 500mg test e 10 weeks. Just something simple to start and nolva to PCT
10 weeks is way too short for test e, i even think 12 weeks is too short for a test e cycle, im assuming your gear comes in 10ml vials, and you are probably dosing at 1ml E3D? You should just get another vial and run the test e cycle for 15weeks.
Personally before you jump on a cycle I would get your bodyfat down to around 10-13%, this can be done through diet and basic cardio easy, this is because fat cells encourage the conversion of test to est. Getting your bodyfat down will also allow you to eat a bit more on cycle without being too paranoid about fat gain, I would also say you need to up your calories, for a man of your size 3200 seems quite low, bump it up to 3600 at least though play around and add more/less depending on the fat gains (if your going for leaner gains).
If you cycle with your current bodyfat you should def have aromasin on hand to combat any of the estrogen sides, you should have this anyway but its more common to have estrogen sides at higher bf.
Hunger is just something you deal with by willpower, when im bulking I feed myself until im full, then if im hungry hours later I eat again, i've never counted calories or macros.
As for shoulders, Barbell OHP and occasionally some raises at the end of a workout. In my routine they get hit from incline bench on bench day and kroc rows on row day so there is a lot of shoulder overlap
Biceps get hit with weighted chinups and underhand grip rows, but if I feel they are not taxed too much I throw in some curls at the end of row day, alternating between hammer curls on some weeks and barbell curls on other weeks
Great info! Thanks alot!
I actualky have enough test for 15 weeks so that will workout.
A coupke more questions if u dont mind on the bf%
So if I decide to proceed at curreny bf% is it gonna be a big waste of test with some being converted to estro due to bf% being higher? If its a wasted cycle I def dont want to do it but if its nit a major diff if I get some aromasin then im good with that? What do you think?
IF I were to stop and get fat down. Since I have only pinned once at 250mg do I just stop cold turkey? Would I need to do any nolva?
Thanks again for all the info
In my experience in working with guys starting at a higher bf leads to more sides and less gains, so your experience MAY be far from optimal and you COULD end up looking worse, bigger maybe but puffier, fatter etc.. You could cut with test but im thinking you want to use test to put on some mass, which will happen easier and at a more optimal rate if you start leaner and use the test as an addition to a bulking diet/training routine.
Some people may disagree but in my experience everything has always worked out better for me and my mates when we blow up LEAN. People are free to disagree but we all react differently to these compounds. Even if you are lean, always shoot to have aromasin on hand, better looking at it than looking for it!
Get your diet sorted, dial in cardio or conditioning work and the fat will fall off, getting down to 10-12% is easy, its getting down to single digits which takes willpower and or drugs
haha You could hop on an EC stack, or get some albuterol to help shift some of the fat, though diet first, training second, then worry about adding in any extras.
The only way you will know if you are okay is bloodwork, though i think a 250mg shot isnt going to throw the whole system out of wack, so everything should be alright, nolva wouldn't be needed but have it on hand if you get the itchy or sensitive nipples, again after one dose this is probably unlikely, but anyone is free to contribute here, all the guys at my gym have bloodwork done regularly to keep us safe, and iv seen noone stop after such a short period so im afraid i can't offer any advice from experience! Just my own opinion and idea.
Its crazy cause ive been studying, reading forums and books, talking to guys and have never once been informed about the bf% thing but it makes complete sense! I really appreciate u chiming in and letting meknow your thoughts. I really want to do this right!
One thing I havent done was get blood work. I mean I have always felt healthy I have really been eating pretty healthy lately. As for bf% I let my self go a little over the years and gain a few extra pounds and havegotten back down niw to what weve ddiscussedroughly 18% I thought that would be pretty good but now youve got me thinking.
Question: if I go get doc to do bloodwork what should I tell him? I am do they give people trouble about gear? What do you guys tell doc? Also will arimadex work over aromasin? Cant seem to find supply with low enough min order that has aromasin.
Thanks again I cant twll u how much the extra info and willingness to help means!
Its also the whole health side, BP side effects tend to be more common at higher % bodyfat. Another issue is if you try to add muscle mass at 18% you might end up at 20+% (calorie surplus needed to build muscle) by the end of the cycle, now if you diet down to lose the bodyfat after cycle you will probably lose some of that muscle mass too (you will lose size when you come off roids, but dieting will also lead to muscle loss, thats why contest prep is so hard and focuses around preserving as much muscle mass as possible), so if you are losing muscle mass from coming off cycle and from dieting down then the net result isn't really decent gains. The other side of the coin is powerlifters who use gear at high bodyfat, though every powerlifter i know blasts and cruises, they don't come off the gear. Also they always use anti-aromatase (aromasin, adex) and have blood work done regularly.
Bloodwork will let you know your current e2 levels (as well as health markers, test levels) so you know if your fat is affecting your estrogen levels atm. It also shows you your normal hormone levels, so what levels your PCT should bring you to, I personally don't use PCT, I blast and cruise. But for those who want to come off roids your bloodwork is something you need to consider as it may be that 4 weeks of PCT simply isn't enough (some people get estrogen rebound when they come off PCT). Knowing your test levels on cycle can help you determine bunk gear, someone posted a good chart showing what your blood levels should be like, now some underground gear IS underdosed, so knowing bloodwork helps you know your product is working.
I was always honest with my GP and he tracks my health markers and we solve any problems before they arise. They might give you a lecture but in my opinion its unethical for them NOT to help you, especially in the UK where using roids isnt "exactly" illegal. If your GP wont do it, there are private medical companies, check google, yellow pages etc.. who will do your hormone profiles for a fee. Tell the doctor you started taking steroids and think it would be beneficial and intelligent to track your bloodwork/health markers.
A'dex will work, but its harsher on your lipid profiles and can result in a rebound estrogen effect when you come off, so it makes more sense to come off while taking nolva. Many people use adex and are fine, so don't worry too much. Aromasin is my favorite and has the least sides, and tends to just work better for me, it also doesn't have an estrogen rebound effect.
Great info again! Thanks
couple last questions
If I were to go ahead and use the test for a cut cycle instead to speed that up. Would I just stay on 500mgper week and then go right into another test cycle to bulk from there. Any suggestions?
What do u mean by blast and cruise?
Are the main gyno signs the nipples itchy sore and lumpy?
What do u mean by blast and cruise?
You can lose fat on test, i've used 600mg weekly on a cut before (though my fav is to run low dose test and anavar (250mg test weekly, 80mg anavar daily)).
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full
Again test is very versatile, you can use it to gain or cut. Though in my experience its always worked better for me as a bulking supplement, the anavar/low test stack is my cutting stack of choice.
Cutting depends all on your diet, diet will also control some of the bloat issues with test. Just eat clean, up your cardio, and don't go crazy on calorie intake and you can lose the weight on test.
Blasting and cruising is when you don't come off steroids, I blast (have a period with high gear use) and then after my cycle (15-20 weeks), i cruise (low dose test 250-400mg weekly) until I am ready for my next blast. I don't come off gear, but I wouldn't push this approach as the only reason i do it is because of my career and its what puts food on the table!
As for your point of bridging from a cut test cycle to a bulking test cycle it is possible, you could cut for 10weeks then bulk for 10 weeks, though the longer the cycle the more shutdown you COULD become, but your bloodwork will tell you this, you may need a lot longer PCT to bring you back
Whilst there's good info in here, I don't personally like the way your advice is steering the op for several reasons. I'll explain:
No stats. You know this isn't an 18 year old?
It's his first cycle, there wasn't really much to alter by necessity. I would run a test cycle for 12 weeks. Pushing past this is unnecessary.
Tell his doc. Could trash his insurance! It happens in the USA I'm afraid.
Finally, the main thing I don't like is you've now convinced him to run a 20 week cycle first time around. Not a good idea and DEFINITELY not a good idea when you have no stats.
I repeat, you've given some great info here, but this isn't the way we do things here and if certain mods see this you're in for a rough ride.
I appreciate the comment, but in my opinion i've been offering as best of advice as I can give. In my experience on this and other forums, people can put whatever they want in their stats pages, so I tend to ignore it, before giving the advice I learned he had been training for 8 years and believed he has reached a natural peak so to speak.
As for cycle length, at the start I suggested 15 weeks, this is purely from experience with a number of guys and the fact that if your injecting 1ml twice a week, it makes more sense to buy 3 vials and use it for 15 weeks, instead of buying 3 vials just use 4mls out of the 3rd one for the sake of keeping the cycle length to 12 weeks. I also tell him that the longer the cycle the more he can be shut down.
The doctor suggestion was because he had asked about bloodwork, in my experience this is the ONLY way to know you have recovered from a cycle and to ensure health on cycle, i've seen too many people use shitty generic PCT protocols and end up having rebound issues. Bloodwork also allows you to adjust your a'dex/a'sin dose, helps identify lipid or other issues which may occur. I mentioned that I personally always tell my GP, and in my experience i've never dealt with a bad doctor, though in the post I also mentioned about private health clinics who will do bloodwork for a fee.
I believe I have got across a lot of the risks/downfalls of using gear and how important it is to track health markers etc.. The board should be about educating people as much as possible and I think he has learned a lot more about the implications of roid use since posting this thread.
Just for the record bigs is right about being very pros and cons with me. I do not feel like I was being mis led and certainly not that his info was not legit and YES I have learned a ton from this post already after reading and studying for quite some time on all of this. Man its a lot of crap to take in. Love all the info!
I'm glad you've taken that the right way, I'm not trying to have a pop at you. You've definitely given some great info and I can tell you know what you're doing and are going to be a good asset to the forum. Just go easy on the long cycles etc.
Know what you mean about the stats, not really much we can do. The joys of the Internet. We do catch and hopefully dissuade a few of the young uns by asking though.
One more thing. As for the cutting cycle that was suggested. With the info and logic behind it it makes some sense to me but I woukd not do it for 20 weeks mostly because im just not ready for that. I was thinking 6 wwwks cut then since test will be kicked in good do about 6-8 bulk. Then pct and see how I feel. Same dosage 500 weekly? Is the bf% in your mind enough to effect a reg 12 week bulk cycle as I originally planned
SDM thanks for chiming in!
First I want to say I appreciate info from everyone here. Its completely understandable that everyone has there own thoughts on gear and how it should be handled. It obviously effects everyone diff. All the diif thoughts are what makes it so confusing for a new guy like myself.
With that being said. I am a very detailed guy and very careful about everything I do. My original approach was to do this with 500mg test e for 8-10 weeks and play it by how I feel. I have been training off and on for years and kniw my body very well. Alotof what bigshank said sounds logical enough but now your points bring some Iinteresting thought too.
Just FYI I am 35 about 6ft1 tall 225lbs at appx 18% bf. Bench 315 just for an idea of where my strength is. I feel like I have reached my natural peek and am ready to start slowly taking it to the next level. Any and all info would be welcome and appreciated!
Supposed to pin again for 2nd time today (250mg).
I want to do this as right as I can from the start.
So far even after 4 days I already feel much hungrier than before. Not much else other than just feeling better in general which could be placebo but def have that good ready to kick some a** feeling!
Feed me with any info you think will help!!!
Thanks again
We just have to be careful, only yesterday we had an 18 year old lad asking for cycle assistance! As a result its protocol not to give advice until we find out about you.
Agree with what's been said ref bf, ideally lower but you've started so I would continue. You can cut on test, all about your diet. Drop your carbs after 2pm to zero and your bf will drop. I'd probably think of this cycle as a "recomp" rather than cut then bulk.
I don't agree with running a longer cycle, 12 weeks is the norm these days, you'll get a lot out of weeks 10-12 if you can, but it isn't a deal breaker either way. As its your first run, be conservative, (which you obviously are being). You're still young, (younger than me anyway!), so plenty of time.
If you need any help with your diet etc, drop me a line and I'll help you out.
No carbs after 2 is great info I was doing that but not till after like 5 or 6. Basically my last meal was no carbs. So does that include carbs from like veggies too? Prior to 2 I will plan to still keep carbs at min maybe totalling 125 day? And should I keep protein around 300+ daily? I am taking a multi vitamin at night and fish oil and omega 3s. I snack on a few peanuts here and there before bed too? I can stick to the diet just need to get it down to a science.
When bulking was thinking 3500 cals+ daily still 300+ protein daily around 250 carbs and 90 fat?
Veg is ok, (obviously not potatoes!), offset by fibre. If you follow zero carbs, (and I mean zero), it'll drop off you.
Protein at 300g per day is fine, try to get it mostly from food rather than shakes. Only time I use protein is directly after workout and overnight slow release, (casein). I'm not keen on the nuts late at night. Eat em by all means, but currently it's a bit too late in the day for fatty intake.
Ok just for clarity ZERO carbs after 2! Prior to that just as long as its nit in excess and they are good types like fiber or complex types?
Complex carbs all the way. My carbs come from sweet potatoes, oats, pasta and rice for the most part. Veg wise I eat a lot of greenery such as broccoli and spinach. Eat your complex carbs in your first few meals.
Yes, ZERO. It's tough, but if you're disciplined enough you'll get great results.
X2 on this. One week in doing this and there is already a visible change, trousers are looser. Great advise.
I can and will do it and ill let u know how it goes.
Thanks for info!
I am sure ill be in touchwith future questions
One last thing while im thinking of it. Will nolva work to combat gyno during cycle? Have plenty for pct so was gonna use for bith but sev others say wont work? I could order some adex? Bigs suggested aroma but cannot find it. Thanks again
Don't use nolva during cycle, you need an AI. Adex will work, start at 0.25mg e3d at the start of week 4, increase dose to eod if nipples are sore / itchy / puffy etc.
Ok will have some adex otw tomorrow.
So have u used test e? Is it possible for me to start feeling certain things from it in first week? 2nd week? extra hunger? libido? How early have u felt these things and how early for things like strength and some gains? I keep reading 4 to 5 weeks but its hard to believe I would feel nothing till then. I already feel super hungry all the time even before I started this cutting and no carbs after 2.
Thanks as always
Yes, I've used test e many, many times. Test is pretty much always a base to any cycle.
Honestly it's probably psychological at this stage, unlikely you'll "feel" much until week 4-6. Everyone is different, it can be quite subtle for some, more intense for others.
So would u say with this being my first cycle It would be a stretch to believe I could gain 10-15 lbs of lean muscle. With right diet and training of course.
Quite possible you could achieve that if diet and training are solid. My first ever test cycle yielded around 12lbs so very feasible.
Ok couple more questions abouy injecting.
First is 1" deep enough in quads? I like quads cause its easier to control and aspirate and not inject too fast etc. . .?
AND my first shot was super sore day two and most of three then soreness tapered down over next 2 days but no redness, lumps, rashes. But soreness was spread 4to5 inches out from injection spot. Now second pin in opposite quad seems to be about the same maybe slightly less sore. Does all this seem normal? I have read I should go 1.5 in quad and glute but that seems deep to me. Can u give me some detail on all that. I have read a lot of back and forth on all this.
Thanks
Ok couple more questions abouy injecting.
First is 1" deep enough in quads? I like quads cause its easier to control and aspirate and not inject too fast etc. . .?
AND my first shot was super sore day two and most of three then soreness tapered down over next 2 days but no redness, lumps, rashes. But soreness was spread 4to5 inches out from injection spot. Now second pin in opposite quad seems to be about the same maybe slightly less sore. Does all this seem normal? I have read I should go 1.5 in quad and glute but that seems deep to me. Can u give me some detail on all that. I have read a lot of back and forth on all this.
Thanks
Did u feel like that 12 pounds was pretty visible? What do u feel like physically was the biggest change u made or noticed in that first cycle? Size? Shape? Etc
Let me know when your tired of my questions thanks
"Let me know when you're tired of question" - lol, you're ok.
First cycle (which was 12 or 13 years ago now) was just about strength rapidly increasing then mass piling on quickly. Scales were the first change, then started to notice shape in the mirror etc.
As for blood testing I just need a standard testosterone blood test correct?
Since ive already pinned I think I am going to go ahead and do a cut then bulk cycle together. I have enough test to do that.
What are your thoughts on tren. I have read good and bad but with your experience what do u think? Is it worth it?
Tren is a compound for advanced users. I'd advise you to forget about tren until you've done 8-10 cycles. You've got a lot of others compounds out there, tren should be the last on the list.
If you asked for assistance building a tren cycle at your experience level, to be blunt you wouldn't get it on this site. Would be irresponsible.
Chaz32621You should run the test for 12 weeks you'd love it a lot better!!