posted Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:46
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+ 11 MP lab test!!!!! Look
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I know a lot of people have been wanted to see lab work on mp gear well here is mine. My test levels were over 2100 look for yourself
I was only running 500mg a week of test for 15 weeks
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AnonNot everybody gets a super high number everytime
I can remember getting a number like this on one occasion and then my next panel was way into 3k on another occasion from same batch... Not from this source though... I think there's a lot of factors that play into the reading you receive.... That's not a bad number tho
Edit:: after reading that this is after 4-5 weeks
Imo that's a good reading
I'm confused here. Some guys are saying 2100 is LOW. I was under the impression that a person who is natural and of normal average test levels would be in the 600-800 range. Of course I'm talking about someone in thier 20's to late 30's or early 40's. I know someone who's not taking anything anything g and is 60 years old isn't gonna be anywhere near that.
But isn't 2100 incredibly high???
Light number for 500mg a week but not terrible.
That's avarage dose. Isn't 2100 extreamely high? No? ... Correct me if I'm wrong. That's just what I thought.
Consensus seems to be that he started from very low test (89) and got bloods done while basically only on 4 weeks of Test E.
Drawing bloods too early is one thing. His baseline shouldn't matter.
Yeah, probably wouldn't make a huge difference. The thread got kind of convoluted so I just figured I'd sum up. Most of the commenters in this thread were dropping knowledge bombs left and right. Was pretty interesting to read through.
Thumbs up man! Glad to see blood work
+1 for the bloods we all love to know numbers and stats, thanks for posting brother
P2i2tSo you ran 2 bottles of sust and 1 bottle of test E? you said 15 weeks so I am figuring you did 2ml weekly to get 5 weeks per bottle. you say it was drawn 3 days after the last pin correct? was this last pin test E or sust? I am guessing you ran the sust first and the one vial of test last?
acmilan1307Yeah but I will have my blood taken again after my show
P2i2tGood to hear. but could you tell me if your last pin was of test E or sust?I mean, did you have these drawn on your last week or towards the middle? by the sounds of it was at the end I'm guessing.oh yeah, +1 thank you for testing
acmilan1307Test e was last and blood was taken at the end of 14th week
P2i2tsee this makes it a little difficult because you really only ran four weeks of test E and by that time the sust is pretty much out of your system due to the short esters. So this is basically a level at 4-5 weeks into a test e cycle.which in that case these numbers are not bad at all.blood work gets a little tricky once you start running different esters and changing protocol. all and all I would say these are good numbers especially considering your baseline! 89??? were you contemplating suicide? I'm not even joking with that question. I can imagine the depression that must have caused.
I'd give you +1 for this if I could. Great explanation and helped further my understanding of the blood work process.
Keep in mind if the test e was last, and he ran 2 bottles of sust fr ten weeks that sust has long esters in it. The mg won't be as high but there is plenty of test in him when he started the test e that he isn't at 4 weeks (figuratively speaking), so I would say these numbers seem low, BUT with a baseline of 89 this is a huge jump, and the total ammount of free testosterone is pretty solid. I would be curious to see someone run the same cycle, do labs at the same time with say a 500 or higher baseline and see what their numbers are as a comparison.
P2i2tYes you are correct. The DEC. And iso are still around...but four weeks after the last pin of it I can't imagine there is much left of them there. the Test E is basically what is starting to take over. if it was week one or two of test E being only a week or two after the last pin of sust I believe those esters would play a more prominent role.but the Bloods were drawn at the end of week 4 after starting test E. let's not forget we start PCT 14-18 days after our last pin of long esters due to the fact that the test is almost out of us. or at least at insignificant levels. this is why I said it is a result of "basically" 4 weeks into test E. Because it is not COMPLETELY only test E. But basically it is.but you are correct none the less. thank you for pointing that out
I could disagree with that :). Long esters are still present for a lot longer than most people think. That's why imo a prop taper is the only way to go off long esters. Test e is in your system longer than 14 take 18 days. Think it's like 24 ta 28 days after your last pin on a twelve week cycle if I remember right.Post a couple links I posted and read thru them it's great info.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/pct-all-wrong
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/test-prop-taper
P2i2tOh you are absolutely correct. It's not completely out of your system in 14-18 days. as he said this was 4 complete weeks after his last pin of sust and I definitely stated above that I agree there will be a small amount left of those esters but nothing significant.I definitely did not say it was completely gone.according to this its 24-28 days or whatever it stated that it lasts for. But this pin was 28 days AFTER his last pin. so what would that tell us? It last for 24-28 days and this was 4 weeks, or 28 days, after the last pin. the exact reason I said there may be some left over but at an insignificant amount.according to this, after 28 days it is pretty much gone. So saying there is still even some left at all is giving it the benefit of the doubt. and the reason I gave it the benefit of the doubt is because it is dec.and iso esters wich are slightly longer than enanthate. Good info up their roll, and I am NOT trying to argue or state I am the only correct one. But I think logically my point was correct.also want to point out that we start pct after 14-18 days after long esters not because it is out of our system, but because our levels would be back into the mid normal levels at that point if you are taking an average dose, and we need to start PCT before we drop our levels too low. I definitely know it is still there after 14-18 days, and will be for another week or two. but not significant enough levels to keep us at a safe blood serum level without starting a PCT. I am probably going to stop commenting here after this because I don't want people to get the wrong idea and think I am in here trying to be righteous and a know it all. That is not the point.sorry if that's what it seems like.I was just trying to state what my logic of what I know about this makes absolute sense to me.and the reasons why.that is all.
It's all good bro didn't think that all. But imo starting your pct that soon is actual wasting your pct. I wasn't disagreeing with anything but the time u start pct lol. The prop taper is the only way to go read my forum. It's a game changer for pct. I'll stop posting here don't want to hijack his forum lol
P2i2tI hear ya about hijacking the forum lol in my bad, I thought you were just disagree with me in general including when to start PCT lol but imo it all depends on your dose throughout cycle as to when you should start PCT.like with me, most of the time I am running very low amounts of test, like 300,because I run high tren therefore the 14-18 day pct I think would be fine. but for people running like 700 I would agree with your studies and opinion. OK OK...no more hijacking! Lol
That's true my mistake I didn't think of that...if it's sust w the undeconate Ester I believe that is 28 days but ur right it would be small ammounts...and given his low baseline I'd love to see someone like I said w higher baseline run same thing, curious if it's proportional to the baseline in that aspect
P2i2t28 days ;-) yes...read above please ^^^^
Did he specify the short sust or the long sust is what he ran?
P2i2tusually Sustanon is basic
100 Dec
60 I so
60 pop
30 prop
a long and short Sustanon thing is source specific. Just recipes they made themselves. The actual Sustanon recipe, which when most people refer to Sustanon is what they are referring to, is what is stated above
Good to know. I noticed in milan's pics he had the MP sust 250 which is the short ester one so I wasn't sure. Since it sounds like he's talking about MP sust I have a feeling he was on the short.
I ran his cycle through steroidplot.com using just the long esters based on the info in this thread. It reads in mg/day which I'm not really familiar with but maybe someone else who has further understanding can fill in the details.
http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=14&t=0&n=2&c0_d=100&c0_c=testosterone&c0...
Edit: steroidplot has an option for E3D or E4D, so with twice weekly injections of enanthate it would fall somewhere in the middle which may skew the numbers slightly.
This is the same cycle but charted with E4D on the enanthate.
http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=14&t=0&n=2&c0_d=100&c0_c=testosterone&c0...
Steroid plot uses Terminal Elimination Half-Life(point at which the drug no longer increases blood levels) of the esters to determine amount of testosterone being released into the blood. Test E for example has an estimated average of 4.5 days. So those numbers are the ESTIMATED amount of actual testosterone being released into your system NOT the actual drug itself. This is used because the amount of drug is meaningless, its the amount of cleaved testosterone that matters and effects blood levels.
If you've got time for further explanation on this I would be very interested. Most of what you said just went way over my head but I think I got the gist of a couple of your points.
So you mean that steroidplot is only taking a very basic look at the release because there are so many other confounding factors at play? Like E2, SHBG, free test, etc?
No. There are two ways of looking at a time released drug.
One is the amount of the drug itself. In this case the DRUG is testosterone Enanthate. Now you can calculate the amount of Test E in your body based off the rate the drug is cleaved. This is a separate half-life commonly refered to as apparent half-life. It is the one most often used on this board.
The second is looking at the amount of active compound in the body. In this case testosterone. It is what is acutally 'active' in the body. That is what steroidplot uses. And that is why you see it labeled as mg/day. It is estimating the amount of testosterone being released into your system.
Here is a more in depth explanation.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-do-different-ester...
I have a real nice read on test. Testosterone: Action, Deficiency, Substitution Its like $120 on amazon and 600 pages but has some very good info in it and I believe the studies in that book are what steroidplot uses as well.
Clearly I've got some reading up to do. Thanks for laying it out like that. Still at grasshopper status, but I might shoot you a question from time to time if you don't mind. FR sent.
Fr. accepted. Ask away. I will answer best I can. Still learning myself on a daily basis.
+1 for bloods btw.
I'm not 100 % sure but that looks like it is a half life breakdown of the compounds? I honestly have no better guess than that
Shouldn't test be somewhere near 3500? I forget but there's a mathematical way to calculate how much you should get getting.
acmilan1307Not if you got you blood taken before that and it's at 89 before you start your prep again.
P2i2tNo there isn't. Soooo many factors will make everybody's levels different. Baseline, Estrodial levels, shbg levels, albumin levels, age, other compounds being taken, etc. you get the idea.people say that if you multiply by between 7 to 10, your levels should be in between that. But like I said there is no mathematical constant. everybody is different with the way they process compounds. Remember also, high total test with low free test is not as good as slightly lower total test with higher free test levels. some people tend to forget that the free test is what really counts.
I would think that would be a reasonable target.
How many weeks?
acmilan130715 weeks
Are you running provirion and if so what brand
acmilan1307I have proviron now but I have Bp Proviron
What dosage were you running?
acmilan1307500mg weekly
500mg/week of test e?
How long after your last pin till the bloods were drawn?
acmilan1307I got blood drawn 3 days after last pin and it was 2 bottles of sustanon and 1 bottle of test e