LexMentis's picture
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So, I'm still a novice lifter for the most part. Been doing 5/3/1 BBB, with additional bodybuilding assistance for about 6 months now. I have definitely gotten great results, but I'm getting a little bit bored with it and not progressing in strength as much as I'd like to. I still cannot even bench 2 plates yet. I've read that 5/3/1 may be more beneficial for advanced lifters and those who compete since progress at that point is a bit slower since they're dealing with much heavier weights. Do you guys have any suggestions for how to program for faster strength gain? I'm still natural, so just something to consider.

Johnny Bravo's picture

When I started lifting when I was 15 I benched my bodyweight at 135 and I used this until I got 275. The weight training coach had us do 8/6/6/4/4. First set is around 8RM near failure. When you decrease reps increase the weight 5 pounds. Helps get used to heavier weights regularly. Be sure to rest a long time.

Whenever I stalled out I’d switch it up a little like adding a heavy double or pyramiding 8/6/6/4/4/2/4/4/6/6/8 with lighter loads. Or do 8RM and have a spotter help the last few sets for forced reps. 5x5 got me too fatigued for a heavy enough load. 5/3/1 I had to do each core lift every workout for a few cycles until the weights finally got too heavy. Everyone is different

LexMentis's picture

Great stuff, man. Thank. I'll definitely try to incorporate some of these methods. I like the 8/6/4 idea.

Johnny Bravo's picture

To be clear it’s 8RM. Increase weight then 2 sets of 6. Increase weight then 2 sets of 4. It’s not a weekly rep scheme like 5/3/1 it’s a total of 28 reps. I feel like in the beginning I needed to be exposed to max weight regularly opposed to every third week so that’s why it worked for me. Just wanted to clarify

LexMentis's picture

I'm totally understanding you. Again, I appreciate the advice.

Leroylifts's picture

531 is a great program which is built around progressive overload. I ran 531 BBB for about a year and although I got much bigger and stronger, I too got very bored and started losing my drive. I read Wendlers books and picked up the variations of the program like BBS, Trinity, and Spinal Tap. Try a few of these. The basics are the same but it’s different. I fell in love with Spinal Tap and ran it for 6 months after with good gains. Consistency is the most important thing and sometimes it takes a change to keep the energy to keep things moving.

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press1's picture

Bud - Do you want presses help? I'll have you benching 225 for 10 in no time :-) Write down exactly what you do on bench day in terms of exercises and reps, then a brief outline of what the rest of the week looks like and PM me.

Let me know what your current 1 & 3 rep maxes are also so I can use example numbers in what I send you.

LexMentis's picture

Ahhh, yeah man. This is exactly the kind of advice I was looking for. Thank you!

Bearded_muscle's picture

Any program will work when you’re novice so don’t stress it too much. Your focus on strength is well placed, the size will come but for now just try to get strong.

I had really good progress with 5x5 when I was starting out. Keep it fresh and change it up every 6 months. Higher reps, lower reps, back and forth.

DfromPhilly's picture

I was gonna suggest 5x5. I don’t think anyone that can’t bench 2 plates should be doing anything but 5x5 for at least 6 months out of the year. (The other 6 months either more 5x5 or mix it up a bit if you stall). If I had to do it all over that’s what I would start with.

LexMentis's picture

Cool. I suppose I'll just stick to what I'm doing. I might just bump the frequency up to 5-6 days a week, rather than 4. I'll just keep researching in the mean time.

DfromPhilly's picture

https://stronglifts.com/5x5/

I’d do this and add a Bodybuilding day for a 4th day.

M/W/F - 5x5 exactly how it’s written in that link

Saturday - any random BB shit that you haven’t already covered in the 5x5 Days... curls, maybe some extra triceps, calves, chin ups, shrugs, etc. Dumb shit, nothing too crazy. Just put in decent work for 45-60 mins for the beach muscles and get out.

Don’t forget to eat! You can train til you pass out but if you’re not fueling your body right you won’t progress much past a certain point