posted Fri, 05/22/2020 - 15:34
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So, I'm still a novice lifter for the most part. Been doing 5/3/1 BBB, with additional bodybuilding assistance for about 6 months now. I have definitely gotten great results, but I'm getting a little bit bored with it and not progressing in strength as much as I'd like to. I still cannot even bench 2 plates yet. I've read that 5/3/1 may be more beneficial for advanced lifters and those who compete since progress at that point is a bit slower since they're dealing with much heavier weights. Do you guys have any suggestions for how to program for faster strength gain? I'm still natural, so just something to consider.
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When I started lifting when I was 15 I benched my bodyweight at 135 and I used this until I got 275. The weight training coach had us do 8/6/6/4/4. First set is around 8RM near failure. When you decrease reps increase the weight 5 pounds. Helps get used to heavier weights regularly. Be sure to rest a long time.
Whenever I stalled out I’d switch it up a little like adding a heavy double or pyramiding 8/6/6/4/4/2/4/4/6/6/8 with lighter loads. Or do 8RM and have a spotter help the last few sets for forced reps. 5x5 got me too fatigued for a heavy enough load. 5/3/1 I had to do each core lift every workout for a few cycles until the weights finally got too heavy. Everyone is different
Great stuff, man. Thank. I'll definitely try to incorporate some of these methods. I like the 8/6/4 idea.
To be clear it’s 8RM. Increase weight then 2 sets of 6. Increase weight then 2 sets of 4. It’s not a weekly rep scheme like 5/3/1 it’s a total of 28 reps. I feel like in the beginning I needed to be exposed to max weight regularly opposed to every third week so that’s why it worked for me. Just wanted to clarify
I'm totally understanding you. Again, I appreciate the advice.
531 is a great program which is built around progressive overload. I ran 531 BBB for about a year and although I got much bigger and stronger, I too got very bored and started losing my drive. I read Wendlers books and picked up the variations of the program like BBS, Trinity, and Spinal Tap. Try a few of these. The basics are the same but it’s different. I fell in love with Spinal Tap and ran it for 6 months after with good gains. Consistency is the most important thing and sometimes it takes a change to keep the energy to keep things moving.
Bud - Do you want presses help? I'll have you benching 225 for 10 in no time :-) Write down exactly what you do on bench day in terms of exercises and reps, then a brief outline of what the rest of the week looks like and PM me.
Let me know what your current 1 & 3 rep maxes are also so I can use example numbers in what I send you.
TronIf you do as I say you will improve much faster. So, to go to war without a strategy is never a good idea. Or in anything you do competitively. A professional fighter comes up with a game plan to beat their opponent. A team comes up with a strategy to beat another team. What you’re doing is no different. You’re competing with yourself. So sit down one day. Write out a 12 week program. Break it up into 3 4 week routines. So first 4 weeks you have everything written out...you do lots of heavy compound movements. Maybe some powerlifting. And you write down everything that you lift and how many reps. So the following week you try to beat all of your prior lifts by reps and or weight. It’s vital to improve. If you go up only 5 pounds a week on your bench press that’s a 20 pound improvement. So after that 4 weeks is up you go into something entirely different. Now you’re doing higher reps and burn outs. Super sets and giant sets. Same thing though write it all down. Then beat your lifts.even if it’s one rep. DO IT. Compete against yourself. Then the last four weeks back to the heavy compound movements but ALSO mix in some higher rep lifts, burnouts, etc. and try to do different exercises that you hadn’t used in the previous 8 weeks. Of course more importantly is the diet and nutrition. But write everything down. Try it and see what happens.
Ahhh, yeah man. This is exactly the kind of advice I was looking for. Thank you!
TronWell, first of all thanks for the breath of fresh air with your total honesty. Being honest with ourselves is the ONLY way to really better ourselves. And here’s a couple karma points for staying natural. You have a rare ability that we lack these days. Self control. And because you’re going about this intelligently and I can just tell in your wording and questioning that there’s a more than likely chance that you’re going to stay with this thing and meet your goals. THEN set new goals. Don’t make your training complicated. If you do you’ll start to get frustrated and once it loses it’s fun then there’s a possibility of falling off.
Any program will work when you’re novice so don’t stress it too much. Your focus on strength is well placed, the size will come but for now just try to get strong.
I had really good progress with 5x5 when I was starting out. Keep it fresh and change it up every 6 months. Higher reps, lower reps, back and forth.
I was gonna suggest 5x5. I don’t think anyone that can’t bench 2 plates should be doing anything but 5x5 for at least 6 months out of the year. (The other 6 months either more 5x5 or mix it up a bit if you stall). If I had to do it all over that’s what I would start with.
Cool. I suppose I'll just stick to what I'm doing. I might just bump the frequency up to 5-6 days a week, rather than 4. I'll just keep researching in the mean time.
https://stronglifts.com/5x5/
I’d do this and add a Bodybuilding day for a 4th day.
M/W/F - 5x5 exactly how it’s written in that link
Saturday - any random BB shit that you haven’t already covered in the 5x5 Days... curls, maybe some extra triceps, calves, chin ups, shrugs, etc. Dumb shit, nothing too crazy. Just put in decent work for 45-60 mins for the beach muscles and get out.
Don’t forget to eat! You can train til you pass out but if you’re not fueling your body right you won’t progress much past a certain point