Winter bulk advice
Looking for advice such as duration, amount, esters, add/remove, etc. I'm 2 weeks in so far so good. Planning on going until February, so 5 months. 215 today from the last summer cut. Looking to hit 250 then slowly start to cut down again to 225 by May. Diet is clean with 5k calories per day of 500g carbs 300g protein. Full body in the gym for 2 hours every MWF.
600mg Test Cyp - 200mg MWF
300mg NPP - 100mg MWF
150mg Anadrol - 50mg MWF
150mg Tren Ace - 50mg MWF
12.5mg Aromasin on Satudays
I have cabergoline/dostinex and will take it as needed depending how I feel like I have done in the past with Aromasin. While my estrogen has been in the 200's before, I must aromatize well because I don't get any oily skin, pimples or gyno symptoms. Birthday is this week turning 45. I stay on Test year round (just a lower amount)
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AK80Thank you all for the advice. I'm just running the 600mg Test and 300mg NPP now.
Everyone’s got their own idea of what works best for them. My goal here is just to give you an idea of what might work better for you … which is tough, because I don’t know you personally.
From the looks of your setup, you’re already experienced and have a solid base of knowledge (pulsing Anadrol on heavy-demand days, and running two 19-nors — even short esters … for an offseason isn’t a beginner move). At the end of the day, you gotta test and see what feels best for you.
How long are you planning to run this bulking phase?
If you’re pinning Tren daily, you’ll definitely squeeze more out of it. That’s why for an offseason I’d lean toward Tren E, or at least a blend, to make it more manageable.
Do you feel better with NPP compared to Deca?
Do you usually get along well with DHT derivatives? Ever thought about adding a little Mast, or even some Proviron, just to keep the libido solid and that “feel-good” state rolling?
Have you run something similar before? If yes, then you already know … keep E2 in check. If estrogen goes off, prolactin follows, and that can wreck more than just your mental game … even gyno if you’re not careful. You mentioned you’re not gyno-prone, but high E2 still ruins progress and overall health. If you have the chance it’s nice to have some tamoxifen in hands, just in case.
Watch your blood pressure and lipids (try to eat clean, not Lee Priest dirty-bulk style, lol). Definitely get bloodwork done to track RBC. Just pulsing Adrol probably won’t cause issues, but still … better safe than sorry. Adjust as you go, don’t rush it.
Ideally, tapering or adjusting doses through the cycle works better than running it flat the whole time … helps avoid plateaus and keeps gains coming while respecting health.
Good luck, brother … keep it tight and you’ll get solid results.
I would drop the NPP and the Adrol, get bloods at six weeks to see what you need for Aro. I don’t know how many cycles you’ve done but 600Cyp per week and 150 of Tren Ace should be more than enough. This seems like overkill.
I would not dose the anadrol MWF. It has a short half-life and dosing only 3 days a week would not give you very stable blood levels and could diminish your gains or possibly make side effects worse. I would take it once a day but only for 4-6 weeks or once a day but pulse for a week or 2 at a time like a few other guys have said. Also Milk Thistle, NAC, and TUDCA for liver support, start at least a week before starting the anadrol if you are not already.
I would pulse the anadrol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for as long as bloods allow. You can typically go the whole cycle doing it like this. While you’re basically taking same amount of time off it going MWF, you’re never really giving your liver and other organs a break beyond 2 days. Seems like that would put more strain on your body than taking a full 2 weeks off..
If the goal is a lean 225 in the end consider taking the “lean bulk” approach and really minimize fat gain. If you’re trying to gain 10lbs of LBM this winter I don’t see why you couldn’t do that taking that approach compared to going all out dreamer bulk up to 250 then back down to 225. Maybe only need to get up to 230-235. And then your cut will be a lot less painful. As we get older I think it’s best to avoid dramatic increases in weight and take the more slow and steady approach. Your heart and BP probably won’t like being 250.
Why the tren? Such a harsh unpleasant compound to be on. It can be worth suffering through to get shredded, but not worth it on a bulk imo. Test nandrolone is always solid choice for bulking.
Drop the tren 25-50mg anadrol a day rest days don't take it and pulse it increase test to 800 and npp to 400 aromasin 12.5 mg m,w,f.
My favorite cycle is test, mast and npp but I respond well to it personally I love a dht in the mix.
Test mast NPP is a great cycle. One of my favorites. A source here years ago used to make a TPP, NPP, Mast P blend and it was sweet. I still have a few vials of it. In lieu of mast, proviron has some similar effects on me. And gives me a better overall feeling of well being. It’s a nice addition to TRT as well.
I wouldn’t take NPP and Tren tg. I also think Tren is not worth it for a bulk, save it for a cut/recomp. Keep an eye on estrogen to lower the prolactin sides considerably. Start taking P5P a week before your cycle then throughout if using a 19nor. Better to try to keep prolactin at bay naturally (and by controlling estrogen) than using caber (although smart to keep on hand always). 150mg of Anadrol even if x3 times a week for that long is pretty intense, run TUDCA. 500-1100mg ED.
All my opinions, take what you will and good luck
For winter prep, here’s the advice I can offer.
With increased hair growth on compounds, reduce shaving of chest. Hair will keep your nips warm in winter.
AK80LOL! I told my girlfriend that and she laughed as well. Feet get jammed in me in all kinds of areas in the bed during winter...
Remove anadrol, dont run that shit for 5 months straight even only 3x/wk. You're just asking for additional liver, lipid, and hematocrit stress. If you're gonna be running tren in the offseason, you should run it alongside gh. I also wouldn't recommend 150mg tren/wk for 20 weeks straight, but if you stay on top of labs then it's probably fine.
Do not preemptively dose caber though, it can carry pretty significant health consequences if misused long-term. If I were you I'd honestly just simplify though and do test + nand + gh.