posted Sun, 08/09/2015 - 08:43
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I like to think of myself as well educated when it comes to this but I'm sure there are some vets that may see minor changes needed. What do you guys think of this cycle? Have everything I need for it. Starting soon.
Almost forgot. I'm 32, about 5'8, 9-12%bf weighing about 190
Right now. Been lifting since I played football in high school. I've ran prob 6-7 cycles. Ran almost every compound accept masteron and equipoise.
Sustanon - 750mg/week 1-15
Deca - 600mg/week 1-12
Dbol- 60mg/day week 1-4
Tbol 60mg/day week 8-12
Exemestane - 12.5mg eod week 4-15
Caber - .5mg e3d week 4-12
PCT
Hcg - 2,500iu eod week 17
Clomid - 100mg/day week 17
50mg/day week 18-22
Nolvadex - 40mg/day week 17-22
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If you SLACK on this cycle you are wasting time, money and food.....lol....you can do it...no reason u cant keep 15-20 pounds of muscle if this is done right. When u startin this?
I definitely won't be slacking. You should see my progress from my pre summer cutting cycle. Test prop, tren ace and tbol. My favorite cutting cycle so far. I'm going to be eating 3500 calories a day split up into 7 meals. Oatmeal and egg white protein shake for breakfast. Chicken and brown rice, turkey and sweet potatoes, tuna sandwiches, steak and broccoli. Those are some of my go to meals.
I think you might be a little light on the calories. Don't pussyfoot around and shoot for 1000 cals over your TDEE. Take advantage of the increased nutrient partitioning those drugs will provide and FEED your body so you can maximize growth. I would probably ditch the tbol, not really a classic bulker. If you are looking to run an oral for most of the cycle I would look into pulsing adrol. 2wks on 2 off for entire cycle. That is what I am doing right now.
My macros to d are 2,300. What would you suggest if not 3,500? 4,000? The tbol was just because my buddy wanted to trade half and half but I can keep my dbol. I have about 7 weeks worth of dbol and 4 weeks of tbol. I can try to get rid of it and grab some anadrol though. I've been wanting to try it. I like the two week on, two week off schedule. Do you have any side effects from the blood level changes? I know I get acne when I get on and come off dbol. But maybe been on short burst will help. Idk
2300 cals is not much at all. I was on 2500 cals and that was prepping for my competition. Calculate you TDEE and hit 1000 cals above that on your cycle. I am right around 4000 cals right now so I would think you would be even more than that just glancing at your stats.
No negative sides from the adrol pulsing it like that, only positives. Liver supps are also taken entire cycle, even on the weeks off. You shouldn't need crazy doses of anadrol either. 50mg should be plenty or you need to get some better drol.
Yeah. That's what I mean. I calculated my TDEE on iifym and it said 2300 to maintain. Lol. Must be off. I'll try a few different places and come up with a better number and try and grab some drol. I'll try to get human grade if possible. I'm trying to only stick with human grade from now on after getting some fake from an ugl. I'm guessing I need to shoot for 4,250. I think I'm gonna try your cycle bulking. Gonna be hard as hell building up that appetite and then cutting it out. Haha
Papaya enzyme will help aid in digestion...also pineapple helps...bromelain works wonders
Definitely looks good, bro...u gotta pyramid lifting plan u gonna use?
Focus on 300+ grams of daily.protein. make the shakes be extra....get 225-250g from food srcs only...
Run hCG wk6-15 at 500iu/wk in divided doses...you have provi on hand?
Use Aromasin(12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25/3.12/3.12) in a 6 week PCT. Sub Torem for Nolva....Torem 120/120/90/60/30/30. Keep Clomid dose and frequency same. Maybe start caber in week 3 at .25 e5d and run 2-3 wks into PCT. Start AI ending of week two at 6.25mg.
Drop TBOL.if goal is bulk
Drop DBOL if goal is cut
Agree with flash drop deca dose
Keep sust 750-850...
Post a pic if u want...
Post diet and macros
Nice cycle...
The thing I would not do here is run 2 orals back to back like that.... IF you are dead set on running 2 orals during the cycle you should do one on the front week 1-4.. get liver values checked week 5 or 6 and if they are ok then do one on the back at week 8-12..
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Yeah. That's a good idea. I'm down for that. Gives me a little break and gets those receptors ready for another little spurt. Lol
X2...still use TUDCA..
Yeah dude, and when you feel like you are plateauing around week 7 and 8.. BOOOOOOM there you go with another shotgun blast of something new and fun, AND you will not burn out AND you will be safeguarding the precious liver!!!
Use TUDCA too
this looks better.
1-14- sustanon- 750
1-12- deca- 500
1-4- dbol- 40mgs ed
10-14- tbol- 50mgs ed
6-14 caber- .5 e3d
4-15- aromasin- 6.25 eod adjust bump as needed
15-18- hcg- 500iu eod
18-24- pct- clomid- 100-50-50-50-500
- nolva- 60-40-40-40-20-20
You think the extra 2-300mg is too much oil? The only reason I'm asking is because I have it and it's really hard to stop when it's sitting in front of you. Lol. I was watching a video by Rich piana and he was saying people don't use enough hcg and that he was using 2,500iu eod to come off similar cycles and that you won't loose gains or sex drive at all.
rich piana also doesnt use nolva or clomid in pct, he purely uses hcg, you cant compare his cycles to yours, and yes the cycle you laid out is heavy for you stats, even what i have posted is making me uncomfortable after your comment, were trying to be a bit more relaxed and open minded with cycle advice, like i said thats how i would lay it out, do you know what hcg does inside our bodies? please give me a correct answer.
He said he uses clomid and uses cycles that are normal. 750mg of test. And hcg mimics Lh to shock the balls into production. Is that an acceptable answer without going into detail?
lol. ok. but just dont listen to everything richie rich tells ya, you really believe thats all he hits? hes a synthol freak, he never comes off bro, if he does its for like 2-3 weeks for his useless hcg blasts bro, key word about hcg "mimics"
Just so you know bro. I'm not trying to argue with you. Just letting you know why I chose the original plan. I never said I was against adjustments so trust me. I'm not arguing, I appreciate the advice.
Check out the last couple minutes of this video. Part 2 he talks about his cycle dosage. He says in another video he didn't need more than 5-600mg of test because it's human grade and not underdosed. He's a monster because he runs a shit load of hgh on top of it. The synthol shit is dumb. He tore a bicep and repaired the shape with it once. Just that spot on one arm. He doesn't have 9" wrist and 18" forearms from synthol. Lol
http://youtu.be/Z1aERGic7C8
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Yeah I was going to agree with dropping sust and deca to a more conservative level, maybe adding in provi as well.. and definitely splitting the orals.. +1 Solid.
that is just a more respectable, rough copy of how or more like i would set it up, of course further improvements can be made, if he is going to add provi, then id drop tbol, of course bloods, liver supps etc etc, well wait his reply.
Definitely doing blood work. I do every cycle now. I'll be using milk thistle and valsartan hct 325/25 for blood pressure.
Yeah just looks so much better, and with great food that would be an amazing cycle!
I always say proviron because I do not even see it as an "oral" at 25 or 50mg...
Studies are showing proviron not to be hepatoxic what so ever, as it is not a c-17aa steroid and does not burden the liver with any stress. Kind of in love with the drug mind you lol.
I have read its good to bridge with at low dose...titrating dose per blood work..
I'll have to look into that. That's one I've never ran. I love tbol. I've made some great progress with it. Really looking to put on some size with this one. People say I look 210lbs but I'm only 190 and I want to actually be 210+ And shredded.
I think you will do fine with the layout flash has given you at your current stats... you will blow the fuck up if you stay consistent with your routine and more importantly DIET... Really listen to your body on your training and YOU WILL make it.
Thanks bro. Diets pretty on point. I keep track of macros and eat clean. Can't wait to start.
Stats
Age: 29
Height: 5'8
Weight: 200
BF: ?
Never had my body fat checked. Wanna look at a pic of me and see what you think? I would guess 9-12 but like I said. Idk. Also I'm 32 now. Not that it makes a whole lot of difference.
no worries, how many cycles have you ran? experience with most compounds?
I updated my post. Thanks for reminding me what was needed. Jumped the gun on this post. Haha.