posted Wed, 08/17/2016 - 15:57
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-1 [UPDATED] Bulking Cycle starting September
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Hi guys, thanks you all for your sincere responses. I have updated my cycle, however now I see it too low and too noob because last cycle was 7 years ago but still this will be my 5 or 6th cycle in my life and I'm worried this cycle wont do anything but please give me more feedback on it
Week 1 to 4 - Sustanon 500mg/week.
Dianabol 50mg/day
Week 5 to 12 - Sustanon 500mg/week.
AI - Arimidex 0.50mg EOD from week 2 to 12
PCT -
Day 1 - tamoxifen 100mg + clomid 80mg
Day 2 to 10 - tamoxifen 50mg + clomid 40mg
Day 11 to 21 - tamoxifen 50mg + clomid 20mg
PS: i really want to add deca to it, it did well for me in the past and i have occasional joint pain
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Your PCT is all kinds of backwards. Go on the community page to forums and look at PCT programs and do some research. You have your dosage wrong and of which to take. 10 min of research will fix 90% of your problems on the PCT.
Good luck
Ok thanks for your replies guys however i am decided to run a bulking cycle now and a cut one in may before summer.
I have updatedmy cycle, all comments welcome
Re post below, (I'm not replying so you can edit it). Posting source / brand names is not allowed in the forums. At least read the rules before you post again.
Thanks for your replies. Regarding my depression i must say it is stable now and i has been like that for more than a year. Im not unstable onany way. I'm even given 5mg diazepam a day for anxiety issues and i have not taken any for the past 3 months. So if I can manage without diazepam i can manage anything. I also stash it and now i have a lot of it in case of roid rage or roid insomnia kicks in.
I did cycles in the past and I know for a fact its not going to make depression worse, it makes it better. If im scared about anything that would be clomid but not the rest.
Im not approaching it in an unhealthy way i know for a fact what a cycle is and what i can get with it.
By the way why do you guys say you need a base for steroids to work? Steroids were made precisely for people that cannot build a base. They are given to patients with anemia, aids, anorexia, etc and they work for them, why would I have to be swatzenegger for they to work on me? That doesn't make much sense.
About the things regarding i can wait and grow naturally a bit more yeah of course you are right i can but i want to speed up the process. I was planning on this bulking cycle, then 4 months rest after PCT and then a cutting cycle before next summer. Is not that much.
Regarding the advice given about not wasting my money, the thing is the money has already been spent you know, i have the following already sitting here in a drawer:
Sustanon 500 10ml
Sustanon 300 10ml
Deca 300 10ml
Dianabol 25mg x 50
Arimidex, clomid, tamoxifen, etc
Tons of needles, rubbing pads, etc...
So if I dont do the cycle then it is when i am wasting my money :(
I'll say one positive thing for you, you made me laugh. 16 years I've worked in R&D in the pharmaceutical industry and today I've learned something I never knew.
Fella - run your cycle and stop wasting people's time. You've heard what others think, do what you will.
No bro, we're not talking about salvaging a dying aids patient from the ravages of a muscle wasting disease.
You want gym muscle. Completely different situation. Steroids will do nothing for you where you are at. Sorry. Best way to learn for you it seems is to try it and find out for yourself. After it's all over, if you don't give up on the gym completely which I fear might happen, you can read about why a significant muscle base is required for steroids to work. There is so much information on this. Everyone in the steroid game understands this.
RustyhookerYour cycle is imo too big for a first time in 7 years. It'll add on problems, bloat and possibly more fat. The battle will be with estro instead of the gym. Keep it simple sir.
Post your full bloods. That'll help folks get you lined up. Many dudes come here and didn't realize how low their natural test was or how high estro is.
Bro, thank you for posting a pic. It helps.
Look, as genuine as I can be writing something as a stranger on the internet, steroids are not going to give you the "transformation" you seek from where you are right now.
That said, in the aftermath, I think you can ultimately achieve what you want. For real. Don't let the failure of the cycle get you down. Because, the cycle will fail. For certain. Steroids build muscle on muscle.
Either you believe me and don't cycle or you will just need the personal experience of it to verify that a significant "muscle base" is required for hormones to have any effect.
What you can anticipate is that you will get stronger on the cycle and you will "fill out" and look more massive as the drugs pull water into your muscle tissue and you will be excited and happy and you will think it is working. But, as soon as you stop - within a short period of time - you will lose all your gains. The water weight will drop and the temporary strength gain you got from the water will abate.
If you feel depressed now, this is going to make you massively depressed. I'm telling it to you straight bro and I'm telling it to you before you begin.
So, after, please come back and we will all help you progress. There will come a time if you are consistent and dedicated for you to run another cycle and get some real results. We will help you with that too.
I'm doing the best I can here not to be mean or judgemental or condescending. I realize this is not what you want to hear, but I want to be truthful.
Hang in there.
Amen brother. Truer and kinder words never spoken. OP.....there are guys here who will see you on your way to sustainable physique development. The most valuable lesson you will learn as you go through your journey is patience. Because no matter what building a muscular physique takes time.....lots of it. Happy to offer my help to you too.
i would like to add you your beautiful words that after the cycle it is possible well more than likely he will end up with a worse physique after given the possible state of mind it will put him in on top of his current. op may say "fuck it this isnt worth it" and any progress he had made thus far will go away..
And running ostarine which will further supress you in pct not a great idea and nolva at 50 mg a day very toxic should never be over 40/40/20/20 and clomid is 2 high also please research more nothing in this cycle is correct.....
Rustyhooker^^^^^yup
Also not to be a dick but get diet in check and training in check tighten up and grow aas will do nothing for you except waste your money
Im not going to read whats been replied but deca for 10 weeks what a waste.
I dont really understand what's wrong with my cycle. Are the doses of Deca too high? I thought of running it at 300mg/week (which it also would save me money) but then i remembered that under 2mg per lb of weight the does is not anabolic. if Deca is going to shut me down, wouldn't it be better to do it on s higher dose? Deca already shuts you down with 100mg, so whats the point? Better take 400.
Why you guys dont like 19-nors? Ive run Deca in the past and had no problems. I've also recovered fine after its use with just tamoxifen and clomid after.
Ive never used HCG before, i never need it. I dont know if I should start doing it now? Basically because im way over 30yo now... But its really a mess to prepare that compound...
The underdose thing is because I read it on these forums about Zydex not for anything else. Anyway Dianabol is very easy to notice if its fake or underdosed.
Where did you pull that up?
Broscience... Thats what i always been told to calculate deca doses
this shit is crazy take the lab name down to.... after that... this shit is still crazy
at first it was refreshing to see "bulk" without seeing lean bulk or with minimal fat gains... then looked at the cycle and pct and it was a huge let down. your set up is all.wrong and the fact that you're considering running a 19-nor like deca is very concerning. your doses are very odd, you don't even mention anything about prolactin control and your dosing stuff higher on a whim because you think it's under dosed. this is a recipe for disaster.
please go back and reresearch basic cycles in general... my instincts tell me you shouldn't be running any Cycle, Any time soon...
Do you have a recent pic you can put up?
Ok fine here it is.
https://imageshack.us/i/plBOmlnDj
And I already know what you all gonna tell me. You are too fat, burn more fat, fix your diet, give it more it, leave it on the self, work out harder, you havent reached your potential, etc. and you will be right
However, i was way fatter months ago, im currently training as a hard as I can, i currently eat as much and as lean as my body can tolerate, and i know with time i can improve without roids, BUT i have depression, my life is too boring i want a cycle i not only want it now but ive been wanting it since christmas, and i burnt all fat i could, improved my training to the max, my diet is as best i can do, and this is the moment for me dude.
On monday ill have my bloodworks and then ill stop using clen and start to bulk
You've built nothing resembling a base to be considering using steroids.
I find your words about depression / boring life quite concerning in terms if your attitude to running a cycle. You seem to be looking at this in an unhealthy way like it's going to change your life. I hate to be the barer of bad news, it's unlikely to do that based on your current condition.
I have to agree. You need to be in a good spot both mentally and physically if you want to run a cycle. You are going to be messing around with your hormones and if you are currently not stable mentally you could end up all over the place with your emotions and mood. Now lets move on to PCT....multiply everything by 10 fold.
thanks for posting the pic by the way.
What for? I rather not
So people can see your build and your base that warrants the drugs and dosages that you have listed. Just hide your face. I'm a mod and I list pics with my face blurred out and just pull them down shortly after.
Bingo!
Don't be bashful, just hide your face.
No, sorry. Dianabol only runs the first 4 weeks. What i meant to say is that I will take Liv.52 during the first 4 weeks of the cycle with dianabol. And then i will run Liv52 again during the 4 weeks of PCT.
The PCT, better explained, it would be like:
3 weeks after the last shot of Sustanon:
Day 1 - tamoxifen 100mg + clomid 300mg + Ostarine 40mg
Day 2 to 10 - tamoxifen 100mg + clomid 40mg + Ostarine 20mg
Day 11 to 21 - tamoxifen 50mg + clomid 20mg + Ostarine 20mg
This cycle is a disaster of epic proportions. Whatever yo do don't run this cycle. I've never heard of a PCT as crazy as that which guarantees you won't recover. Need updates stats and goals. Go research beginner cycles. It's been 7 years so you're basically staring from scratch.
What the hell kind of PCT is that? Dbol during your PCT! WTF
Fix your stats
Dbol is the new PCT, heaven forbid you lose those water gains during PCT and what better way to keep them by adding dbol. Maybe next we can hear another poster saying they are cruising on 25mg of dbol a day.
"Cruising on dbol" haha that made my day!
I am at a loss for words.