Third cycle dilemna
Ok so I am doing some pre-cycle brainstorming about my next cycle. First one I did 11 weeks of sustanon and suffered through a nolva only pct. I recovered but it sucked for almost a month. This past July I did a 6 week cycle of orals and a pct of Clomid for 3 weeks 75, 50, and 25. Recovered much better and it seems my body likes Clomid much better. I am not sensitive to gyno just DHT conversion and some acne. I want to run a Test only cycle this time with one of the sources here. Plan to do blood work precycle and week 4 or 5? Cycle as follows: 10-12 weeks test e or c at 400-500 mg week depending on product. Pin 2xweek Mon and Thur. Arimidex start week 3 if needed or wait for blood work week 4. Have some nolva just in case PCT: Clomid only 100/100/50/50 before bed? Experience running Clomid only as pct or maybe a lower dose witth or without Nolva for example: Nolva 40/40/20/20 w Clomid. At 75/75/50/25. PCT start 2 weeks after last pin. Appreciate feedback and my main dilemma is PCT. My wife is on Clomid so I know 100 mg is a lot! Leaned up too and need to update stats
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bigmurphhttps://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles
Thats the link rusty is tale about
I believe that a test e or c cycle is the way to go me personally I run clomid and nolva and I run it the basic way 100/40 50/20 it works very well for me if you feel that clomid will be better than nolva for you then try it but you said that the last time you didn't recover well with nolva..I believe if you want to recover well run both because recovery is a important part of your cycle because you don't want to put in all the work to just lose it in the end.Your diet you say basically you just do it that's not good enough brother diet is a huge key in your cycle without the right diet you might as well not use.Don't run 6 wks oral cycles I know a lot of people do but its not worth it.
Update everything diet exercise stats blood and come back and we can get you a really strong attack plan to make your cycle kick ass
Will do. Its my preference not to log everything I eat. I am OCD enough. I will take in more calories then usual and 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. It worked the last time. Yes I will update with workout plan. Was not planning to do cycle til late February so I am in preplanning stage. Thanks for your feedback on PCT. I am done with the oral cycles. Just had to say I did it. And was all over the TUDCA
bigmurphWatch your carbs and fats read through the posts.from that link its great info I liked it that's why I keep it to give out very informative good luck
I will. Thanks bro
RustyhookerYou really need simple first cycle of test only. Look in Groups....beginners cycles. Join, read and repost your full cycle here. Pct too. ..pct not correct
I will repost once I have it all set. I know that the protocol for pct is Clomid and nolva, just not sure I want to take 100 and 40 mg. That's pretty strong stuff and Clomid is not without sides. Clomid jump starts your balls. I did not notice that nolva did anything for me
What were your results from the previous cycles? What were your goals for these? What was the nutrition/diet for these also...there r many more ?s I have but let's start with the basics n go from there.....
I put on 16 pounds give or take the last couple cycles. Lost about half over the last year but workouts are going good natural and I have been running more. What I miss is the strength. My goal for the upcoming cycle is to get stronger, increase bench, and add lean muscle. I do not fuss over counting calories. I just keep it clean with a cheat day or two, high protein
, and extra protein shake between meals. I take the full array or support supplements regularly including multi, c, fish oil, saw palmetto, milk thistle, and co q10. Also started a minor with workouts and cut out the preworkouts and creatine
Ok so you kept 8 lbs over two cycles...from your profile I assume this was done in about a 1 yr time frame?....8 lbs a yr kept with 13% bf I think is pretty damn good! Congrats bro! From all the info I do suggest keeping track of your macros/ nutrition a bit more closely....nutrition while not on cycle is where u can loose everything you worked for while on....I'm in the over 40 club also and similar stats to u ...what I have found that works is a 4 wk bulk diet ( clean as possible ) with a cheat day of course..and then 1 wk cut...750 surplus cals during the bulk wks and 500 - 750 deficit cals during the cut wk. keeping a close eye on bf will determine how to adjust the macros. Sounds like u have a good understanding of this but just wanted to give my input ....
As far as gear is concerned...again I'm no guru on this but I'm of the mindset to keep things simple as possible ....if 500- 600mg test wk with provi and a good nutrition/workout plan can yield u a solid 5 lbs kept of muscle then I think you r doing things right! ..recovery and getting levels back to normal quickly is vital to holding on to the gains u made during cycle time...at 40 yrs old running big stacks or long cycles of harsh compounds (19 nor) I feel is a crap shoot for being on trt....that being said I have to admit I'm 2wks from pct of test deca cycle ( the ONLY ) 19 nor cycle I've done and a bit nervous about recovery. Cycle has gone fine feeling fine with good bw and no bad sides...but I will definitely take plenty of time off and recover!
Sorry if I rambled on ....haha....track your nutrition ( my fitness pal) keep it clean as possible with out going insane...lift hard ( 4 on 1 off ----3 on 1 off ) and keep it simple as possible if running gear....the main goal should ALWAYS b to stay safe and stay healthy!
That is right. It has been a year and kept 8 lbs of good weight. A lot of it was bloat and water that I didn't like anyway. I feel better leaner these days but still love lifting heavy. I used lose it app before and my fitness pal. I always ate less when counting. What kind of pct are you planning?
I'll do a clomid/ nolva / provi pct....cycle log in my profile has it...I think u r on the right track bro cuz 8 quality lbs a yr is great! Keep up the good work....ill throw out any advice I can to help bro and I'm sure others will also...lots of knowledgable people in here
Thanks! Yeah I looked up your cycle and seems pretty squared away. I lean on the side of caution and do not believe that more is always better. I was thinking if I ran a simple test only cycle that maybe the Clomid would be enough for PCT.
If you r talking bout 500 mg wk test e or c Clomid should do u just fine...however since you havent run test only u should definatly have some nolva on hand as well as running your ai.....bloods midway thru and before pct so u can keep estro in check also. Eat plenty lift hard n u should hit your goals bro! Good luck!
RustyhookerNolva as ai is wrong. Med records online show nolva as ai reduces the levels of hgh and igf in the body. Two of the most anabolics natural mechanisms.
Google nolvadex lowering hgh. Medical websites pop up. Llewellyn cites it as well.
Adex...is perfect for a light test cycle. Aromasin is overly strong but medically proven to raise igf. Look at hgh posted blood tests, everyone wants to know that igf number. Why? Because the igf is a secondary action responsible for greater anabolism.
Op...origional poster....beginner cycles in GROUPS....clearly lays out everything. Doss was a smart dude and pushed hard to get that group built. I and others assisted so that its facts are bullet proof
X2. After reading in the beginners cycles I decided to get enough test c for a 12 week run. I will add 12.5 eod of aromasin weeks 4-13. Weeks 15-18: Clomid 75/75/50/25 and nolva 40/20/20/10. Bloods before and week 6. Adjust ai if necessary. Feel better about this run
Will place order after New Year.Rustyhooker you provide sound advice!
RustyhookerThe groups section is gold. Regular folks looking great is as simple as food and bust ass in gym with basic easy cycles.
Its easy to get sidetracked.
Thanks. I have some arimidex and nolva on hand. Last time I did a Test only cycle and nolva only pct which wasn't good
RustyhookerBulk diet doesnt fit in with clean as possible or cutting calories. Can you explain please?
Sure...was meaning that the bulking diet should be mostly clean ( chickn fish lean red meats etc) not pizza greasy cheese burgers doughnuts ....although all delicious! ...I believe his weight is 190 ish so eating 4000 -5000 clean cals is doable ....but still thro in a cheeseburger doughnut day now n then....if I'm off base please correct me as I'm not claiming to b a expert and willing to learn...
I am confused too. I think if I've understood correctly he's referring to a cyclical bulking approach. I've done this successfully but off cycle. When I'm on I'm bulking - plain and simple. Anyway hopefully he'll clarify.
Yes I was referring to cycle bulking during the time between aas cycles so to keep the bf in check as much as possible as the op wants a " lean bulk" approach...my apologies for the confusion..
AAS will not determine how strong you get or lean, its your diet and training that will be the judge. My plans for each cycle I do is to train harder and eat better, not inject more and keep everything else the same, Catch what Im throwing at you?
Aminos not minor...damn autocorrect
Are these stats current?
Post most current LH/FSH values...
Hey man. How've ya been? Age 40, 189 pounds, and 14 %bf. I will update profile stats. Have to look for blood work but I need a current one
Thx...