posted Wed, 10/08/2014 - 08:52
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First Cycle Researched
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Well it has been a few months and I decided to hold off on cycle until I was more prepared. So I'd like to share with group about my planned cycle and pct for feedback. I have decided on the Sustanon 300 since I already have 20mL. 600 mg per week (1 mL 300mg on Monday and 1 mL on Thursday) 2 times a week and I will run cycle for 10 weeks. Then I will take 18 days off followed by 4 weeks of PCt with nolva (first 2 weeks is 40 mg ed. Last 2 is 20 mg ed) should I split doses to twice a day for the first 2 weeks? Nolva is 20 mg pill. I was also gonna take .5 mg arimidex eod weeks 6-10. Thank you. I am 39, weigh 180 pounds with 14% BF.
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RustyhookerI'm edge of seat giggling. Repost after your third pin. Wait til that pip hits and post after post of soreness.
Seriously. That's one of the reasons I only want to pin 2x a week. My buddy said that 1mL of the oil wasn't bad. Can I run the syringe under hot water for a couple minutes first and massage the site with my cotton swab after? If the sustanon is that bad I could always cancel this cycle aftr a couple weeks.
It took me going through a few labs until I found one that didn't give me crippling pip. There's a ton of thread in here about trying to prevent it. Running water over the syringe is a big fuckin no no. Tap water and injection equals infection. You can heat the oil in the vial with hot water before disinfecting it or use a heating pad, which is what I do.
You know you don't have to inject a full mL.... Instead of doing 1mL twice a week and having levels drop before the next injection, you can do just .5 mL every other day...... just learn about site rotation
So its ok for the oil in the vial to get hot and cold over and over? What if I did 1mL e3d? I don't want to do 900mg a week and if did .5mL Mon wed fri that would only be 450 a week (kinda low). And I don't want to pin over 3x week. If I started the first couple weeks 2x 1mL then I switched to e3d 1 mL, I could go 10 weeks. What do u all think? Thanks
My personal opinion based on experience; save the sustanon till next cycle when you're used to pinning. Get the enanthate when you buy your clomid and run that 2xweek, much less hassle.
If you're dead set on sustanon here's my advice; buy a wall calender. Mark Monday, Wed, Fri, Sun, Tues, Thurs, Sat and so on. It's my opinion (and there's plenty of threads to read arguments) you will get less sides, more stable levels and better results sticking to every other day. Letting 2 or more days pass is a waste of the short esters.
Some people do Monday and Thurs with enan or cyp cus it's easier to remember, I use the calender and just mark e3d for those esters. That's me just being anal tho, probably doesn't make a difference with the longer ones.
I like what your saying. With my current supply I can run 10 weeks. If I change to every 3days I would only have enuff for 8. I kbow I can be consistent with 1 mL on Monday and Thursday. Timing is perfect for 10 weeks too. For now I cannot get my hands on anything else. I am gonna start 600 mg sust a week split Mon and Thursday weeks 1 to 10. Weeks 4 to 11 .5mg arimidex eod. Nolva weeks 13 to 16.
I will keep you guys posted. I plan to start Monday and will update my stats before then.
What are the test esters used in the blend and the amount?
Sustanon 300 is an injectable steroid which contains the hormone testosterone in five different esters equaling a total of 300 mg. Each ML of Sustanon 300 contains the following: 30 mg of Testosterone Acetate, 40 mg of Testosterone Propionate, 50 mg of Testosterone Phenylpropionate, 80mg of Testosterone Cypionate, and 100mg Testosterone Decanoate.
Yeah that blend def needs to be pinned 3 times a week. The reason I ask is I've seen some "sust" have way different ratios and even esters. That deca esters means you gotta wait nearly three weeks after last shot to start your pct
Some of the experts on here said that for a first timer I should be ok doing 300 mg Monday and 300 Thursday. I feel better about that routine. I also have arimidex that I was gonna go. .5 mg eod weeks 5-11. 11 being first week off cycle. Any feedback? Thanks guys! I am pushing 40 and my test is not what it was 20 years ago lol
I know. I'm just saying my personal opinion is that there are two many short esters in their to be used only twice a week. Doing it three times a week would be perfect.
Test acetate has a half life of 1 day
Prop has a half life of 2 days
Phenylpropionate has a half life of 4 days
Cypionate has a half life of 12 days
Deca has a half life of 14-16 days I believe
By the time your Thursday injection is due, the test acetate is pretty much gone as well as the prop. Phenylpropionate is halfway gone and the cyp and deca has just started to kick in.
That's why I recommend doing it m,w,f. It's close enough your levels would be solid.
Also with oyr first cycle, the amount of solvents needed for test p, test c and test a is kinda heavy duty for a first timer. Test enanthate uses the least amount of solvents of all the tests.
Many others will disagree and you may also, but I just figured I'd put my two cents in
P.S. I'm glad to see a first time user only wanting to do test. Most want a ton of drugs! Keep me updated on what you do brother! Good luck!
Thanks man! Hey what do you think is a good course of action for taking the arimidex with sust like I mentioned?
It all depends how sensitive you are to gyno and estrogen related issues. Me, I'm sensitive which sucks so I have to use a lot to suppress it. But here's like a little protocol you can use if say mid cycle you start to bloat, acne, gyno etc
Days 1-5 1mg/day
Day 6 and onward .5mg/day
I found that wS the best way to start adex mid cycle (I use higher doses as I said but that a good beginning dose)
Thanks mid cycle start sounds good. When do you stop the arimidex?. I was thinking to.go one week past the final.sust pin. Then wait and start PCT.
I personally run into and during pct. Now I know it's not in standard protocols used here for pct but adex also has ability to jump start the pituitary and testes
I run during pct because if I don't I turn in a whinny depressive little bitch! I used standard SERMs and my reason other that personal as to why I use adex during cycle is this: Nolva and clomid will jump start LH, FSH and testosterone production. However you have all this estrogen that's not being bound to it's normal receptor sites (nipples) so it's just floating around causing emotional imbalances. My theory is the SERMs jump start the production but without proper AI during cycle and even pct, all this estrogen will affect your gains and recovery
As I said, that's mean. Run your standard pct and see how you respond
Thanks for advice. I pinned yest for the first time and I must have gotten lucky cause I didn't experience pain yet. I am going with half mL mon/wed/fri. That is 450mg week for 10.weeks. I am planning to run Nolva alone for.PCT after this cycle. As we discussed I will take arimidex.for AI starting mid.cycle. Check out my cycle post. I will update there at least weekly.
You may not recover.
Thanks for the scare! I did my research. I will listen to my body. I read plenty of articles about why the hcg and clomid are not the best choice unless you are running a long cycle. This is my first cycle and its at less than 500mg test a week. If Nolva is not working I can add clomid.
Listening to your body is best. I'm not going to go off of every article I've read on the internet. Yes they are good for reference, but you have to do what works for you. All I know is I've not used anything for PCT, I used only Clomid for PCT, and Clomid and Nolva. For me the Clomid and Nolva combination has worked the best. When I didn't PCT at all, I lost all gains and felt like shit for almost 6 months. Next PCT I added Clomid and it made all the difference in the world.
hcg isn't necessary but why risk not taking the clomid? that doesn't make any sense. Why not just take it and get a much better chance of recovering? Instead you'd rather just take the nolva and see what happens? Where's the logic in that? All rhetorical questions of course.
http://www.steroidology.com/nolva-vs-clomid-for-pct/
Thank you! I'm glad someone agrees with me in regards to using adex with pct!
Thanks bro. I'll keep u posted. Startin Monday. Hehe!
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To bad you already invest in Sust. Test E or C would have been better. You'll need to administer Sust more than twice a week to keep levels stable. You need to have Clomid in your PCT as well. 100/100/50/50. I usually take my Nolva in one dose same with Clomid. I would get my hands on some Test E if you could.
Well at this point I am ready to go. For a first cycle I should get some decent gains w Sust 2x week, no? Maybe next time I will.try test e
I don't doubt you'll get gains, but at 2x a week you'll have a lot of hormonal changes. When I ran Sust I did it at 2x a week because I didn't fully understand the compound and I battled with sides the entire time, and had no clue why.
I was advised that as a newbie I shouldn't pin sust too often. How about 1mL (300 mg) every 3 days? I understood that the long esters stayed in your system for like 10 days and I read posts where guys had benefitted from 1 shot a week. What kind of sides u experience?
That would be better, or M-W-F. I had some acne, and sensitive nipples with some bumps, and those are sides I very rarely get.
Monday wed fri it is at .5mL. Should I increase the dosage in the middle and then taper down the last couple weeks? For example first couple weeks (3x 150, 450mg total) and middle weeks (mon 150 wed 150 fri 300, 600mg total) or is it better to just run 450 week for the 10 weeks? Thanks bro