Test/deca or test/tbol
I have ran a few cycles over the years, I recently posted about running an anadrol cycle. I’m not fully off that boat yet but I’m going to pause for a minute and step back for some advice if I decide to go this way. Just curious in what others think. I’m currently in TRT. When I was younger I never got consistent blood work but always ran smaller doses. I’ll be getting my first official bloods done December 4th. This will give me just a baseline for my TRT. Once I’m done with that I’ll have a 6 month window to do a cycle and get back to baseline before my next doctor visit.
Option 1
If I wanted to run test c at 400mg and deca at 300mg would that be enough to utilize the deca? Also Iv never dealt with prolactin sides. Is the goal to have 0 or close to it? Or can it be “crashed” like estrogen? I’ll most likely have arimidex on hand and nolva just because I always have a stash, iv never bought anything for prolactin sides and iv been looking on forums but I’m still alittle confused. People seem to just jump into taking prami or caber weekly right off the rip. This gives me the idea that crashing prolactin isn’t as big of a deal as crashing estrogen? Am I wrong
I’ll most likely start whatever cycle I end up doing then getting blood work about a month in (unless u guys think that’s too early to get a new baseline. To be clear I’m not just picking compounds out of thin air I’m just getting opinions and seeing what I think fits me best. I do like to pack on size but I am also looking to try to do it in a moderate/safer manner . I’m nit a pro or anything like that so I don’t run big cycles mg wise. Iv done 600 test with anavar and winstrol and I ended up getting a gyno lump and had to use rolox to get rid of it. 1000% my fault being young and dumb and not getting bloods done. Now I’m doing it right.
Option 2
Run 400mg test c and 40-50mg tbol. Iv done tbol before and while I didn’t get massive like what deca would do I did put on some solid size that was noticeable to people around me. I guess the only down side is protecting the liver from harsh orals. I also got some minor cold sweats from it but nothing crazy. I guess u can call it option 3 (which is what I was talking about in my first sentence ) test c 400mg and anadrol 25-50mg 6-8 weeks max taking weekends off in the anadrol to give my liver a break on my off days. Reason I was reconsidering was due to how harsh anadrol is. I’m not against it I’m just seeing what others think of my options before I place my order. I think I’m leaning into the tbol since it’s alittle more forgiving and doesn’t Aromatize. Again no matter which one I land on I’ll probably get bloods a month in then later on in the cycle to see how I respond for future endeavors.
Thanks for your opinions appreciate any feedback. Feel free to talk shit as well. Gets my Johnson hard everytime someone gets squirrely
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Not everyone has prolactin problems on 19-nors. Have a DA on hand just in case but I wouldn’t take it proactively. I would consider vitamin b6 to take from the start though. I’ve see some studies showing it’s as effective as caber. Don’t let your estrogen run wild and you shouldn’t have any issues.
You can’t take nolva to stop gyno on a 19-nor in case you aren’t aware. Just control e2 with adex or something like that.
Ya I always have nolva and AI stashed away because I like to be prepared. I’m about a month away from beginning so I’m taking my time to pick the right compounds. Might be a 19 not or i might go another way. I tend to blow up on deca or dbol but to be fair iv never ran an AI with it and iv seen people dry out quite a bit with them so that’s what has sparked my interest to give it a shot again. I like to do smaller doses and find what the smallest dose is to actually get results. Anadrol was in my list but still researching if 20mg Monday-Friday pre workout would be worth doing vs 50mg. I like to give myself weekends off in orals to hopefully give my liver a rest. No data to prove it helps but I just tend to go with common sense and I usually take a weekend day off anyways so it seems like it would help slightly to give it a break. Deca or tbol were my backups but seems 350-400 is the beginning “sweetspot” for deca. I was looking Into 300mg but I haven’t seen anyone in here touching on it being used for strength and size mostly 200-300 is for joint support it seems. I will order some b6 like you said since it’s easy and cheap I’ll also grab some p5p like someone else stated and see if taking those daily will keep sides away. If not I’ll still order prami or caber to keep in my emergency stash just in case.
300mg is a cycle level dose, not joint support. 50-100mg ew will relieve joint pain. I’m on 100mg of it now for that reason and it works well. Some people go up to 200, but that’s typically well beyond what’s needed to relieve joint pain and you’re into muscle building territory at that dose.
No you do not want 0 prolactin. It’s not as bad as crashed estrogen but you feel fucked up for a little. I over did it when I shortly dabbled with tren (caber) and I had basically no prolactin. Personally Anadrol isn’t very harsh imo relative to what other people might say, drol is by far my most experienced anabolic. It needs be respected yea but to say it’s harsh like superdrol (oral) is a load of bullocks. Everyone is different though. That’s all my input as I have never used deca. Might try npp soon tho.
Ranger3252This is a spam account or AI generated. They just keep coming and coming. Don’t waste your time. Still have not quite figured it out yet. But, someone had mentioned these accounts are trying to gain karma to help out other accounts in turn to put up reviews for certain sources. But who knows, maybe it’s just to ruin peoples time.
The only reason I’m replying is because these questions are actually specific not same vague “what gear to take to get bigger and stronger” shit lol. Seems legit enough but you could be right I really don’t know anymore with the influx of spam lately
You can’t figure it out cause your a fucking idiot that spams every comment with “it’s AI, idk why but it’s an AI, idky why they do it and waste our time cause it’s an AI, whaaaaa it’s an AI” shut the fuck up with the AI shit. No one gives a fuck about your opinion you obviously have 0 fucking clue what an AI does or how it’s utilized because if you did you wouldn’t be so worried that every post is a fucking computer generated one. Companies that use AI will use them in the background to collect data or use them as an auto response generator. No one on a forum is using AI to generate specific questions and giving specific responses. It’s about data collection that’s it. Me asking something about caber and about certain doses and responding directly to people should be a clear indicator it’s not AI, but here we are again with you and a few others wasting your breath. If I was AI who gives a fuck if anything it would collect data on all the questions u think are dumb and you wouldn’t have to fucking answer then anymore. Idk what’s more annoying people getting mad when specific questions are asked because they think it’s common sense or when another one of you guys writes a fucking paragraph about fucking AI robots. We should start calling you Alex Jones. The roids are making the AI bots gay
Let me ask you this, which prolactin drug would be less aggressive for someone taking the doses I’m taking. I guess what I’m asking is Armidex is considered (imo) a weaker AI compared to Aromasin since it doesn’t actual kill estrogen . Is there something like that for prolactin ? Like prami or are they pretty much the same?
Also this is the first time being in TRT and doing a cycle. When I come off the “blast” and come back down to my TRT dose do I need to run nolva to stop the estrogen rebound caused from dropping my test dose back down? Or should I be fine just stopping the high test and deca and going back down to my normal TRT dose? I’m trying to figure out if I should get aromiasin or stick with arimidex. I feel like if I get estrogen sides I can just take a small dose of aromiasin say 1-2x a week and use it as a suicide compound for my e2 to lower it. Seems like if I stick with the armidex I will need to continue taking it all cycle “IF” I get estrogen sides since the arimidex only temporarily reduced estrogen until it releases from the receptors.
These are actually great questions and you may get different opinions. As @Charo12356 said, start with P5P, Caber and Prami will nuke your prolactin if overused, better to not use at all if possible BUT have on hand.
The arimidex and aromasin question is very valid, aromasin is suicidal and arimidex is not, however that is on paper and doesn’t always transfer to real life application. I would not say aromasin is necessarily stronger than arimidex tbh. It’s individualistic but the consensus is 12.5mg of aromasin is equal to .5 arimidex. My ai dosage is low, I use 6.25 aromasin per 250mg test. I’m also very weary about crashing my estro, as I did with letro before and felt like shit for like 2-3 weeks. To the Nolva question, no you do not need to run after. You can for peace of mind though, it’s only stopping estro at the receptor so there really is no harm in doing a little run with it. I prefer ralox if you can, it’s better esp if you’re using Nolva for nipple prevention.
If you want something that isn’t too aggressive for prolactin. You can try something like p5p.
That is the right answer.
Iv seen that it’s an over the counter supplement? I just tend to not believe that supplements can actually lower things like e2 or prolactin but that’s just what I assumed. If you have seen results I’ll def give it a try. Thanks
E2, yea otc not really going to be anything significant. I know some people like boron but I’m iffy with that Prolactin tho, p5p is a great preventative and can definitely work, but you still need to have caber or prami on hand in case it’s not enough. I recommend to start p5p a couple weeks prior to a 19nor
Ok I’ll grab some online but I’ll probably grab a pack of caber just in case
Yea still keep on hand but you might be good. Prolactin issues are definitely more under control when estrogen is as well. If your estrogen is in line p5p might be more than enough
I’m new to being an adult and responsible with blood work lol this will be my first time getting baseline blood work. If been scanning the forums and there’s so many opinions. Right now my estrogen is on the low side of normal (pre TRT) now that I’m on TRT I’ll get my bloods done around 3 month mark (Dec 4th 2025). Once I bring my test up around 400-500 then add in another compound how long would you recommend I go back to recheck my bloods? I want to make sure I give my body enough time to fully take in these compounds so I get an accurate reading of my estrogen. Would you say since my body has adjusted to my TRT dose that once I bump my test up I can retake my blood work roughly 3-4 weeks in? Or is that too soon? Should I wait 2 months?. Once I do that I’m going to pay one more time and get them towards the end of the blast so I have some data for future compounds. The last time I got gyno symptoms I was around 600 test ish and it was at the end of 20 weeks I got a small bump and blew that sucker out with rolox. I just can’t remember if it was from the 600 test or if it was when I came off and the estrogen rebound got me. I guess we will find out this run. I have a feeling I don’t aromatize like crazy because I was running the 600 for 20 weeks with no issues until the very end. I feel like if I was sensitive to estrogen sides thy would have popped up way before the 20 week mark that’s why I assume I got it when I stopped and just didn’t time my nolva right or long enough to avoid rebound .