+ 1 Test prop taper
So i began my 5th week of test e with a jab last night (@ 250mg a week)and so far, no probs. No massive weight increase either but then i am all for doing things slowly and i am taking an AI so prob little water retention.
I am aiming for a 12 week cycle and there is the possibility of increasing to 500mg for the 2nd half if i feel it necessary but i am considering a test prop taper into PCT to hopefully minimise any level of mental crash during the standard 14 day wait on enan.
QUestion is, i know 12 weeks is optimal for a test cycle so if adopting a test prop taper do stop at 10 weeks then use prop for 2 (wait 3 days for PCT) or 12 on enan, 2 on prop ?
DO i actually taper the amount of prop down in the 2 weeks or is the idea of it just to lessen the time waiting for PCT?
If i dont reduce, would 100mg eod be enough? Would this be too little if i increased my enan dose to 500mg as it would be only 300 mg per week?
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Im running test e at 500-600 EW..split two injects...with fifty to onehundred mg shots of prop ED...ran test e x12 weeks..then prop two to four more .so 14-16 total...if you can handle it ..just keep the prop going both kick and backload on you future cycles...my run was also frontloaded at 1000mg and 750mg test E...first..second weeks respective...up 12+ in five weeks..no bloat at all;)
everyone might hate on me for this but i dont see any problem with a prop taper. test is test and its not like you are running a blend with a bunch of different esters with wildly fluctuating levels....btw i am answering this since i went back in your threads and found your stats but its always good to post them to any thread relating to a cycle or an aas question. anyways the prop taper will give you an idea of if you can stand eod pinning and if you cant stand prop pip without having to run a whole cycle. i do agree with dossier about not changing your test dose since you already started it at 250mg/wk. you do not taper or diminish the dose of the prop...this is unnecessary due to its short ester. its just 100mg eod for weeks 13-14 then pct 3 days after last pin. this is to keep your levels in a steady decline instead of a drop off, kind of like a soft landing into pct. so IMO...
week 6-12 - test e 250mg week
week 13-14 - test p 100mg eod
3 days after last prop pin starts pct
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
Oohh now i am in a dilemma! I dont actually have the prop so i may just see what labs my source has available and go from there and make a decision.
I appreciate teh feedback though, when you say you came upon this after reading my stats do you mean my age?
AnonWhen I started typing my first post down there, I almost told him the very same thing. Then I thought to myself, he's doing what is taught to do in this forum with a first cycle. So, I decided to try to keep him on the same mindset and conservative. I don't necessarily disagree with you. Test is test. Different sides may be associated with the peaks of each. He'll have more frequent peaks with prop no doubt. Part of me says: keep him on one ester so he can have the chance to see how his body responds to fade of it at the end. Then another part of me says: why set him up for a crash if its not necessary. Only thing I would do differently is run the taper 3 weeks beyond last E injection. But then again, I know how I react to dips in hormone levels. I can see the concept behind your taper vs mine tho. Maintain steady lvls with the prop for 2 wks as E dwindles. Then the following week the E fades. Def a more gradual decrease.
i ran the numbers(hypothetical) figuring half lives with test e(14 days) then test e with the prop(2 days) taper and i like the way the decline looks with the prop myself. with that being said its personal preference. i just switched to prop ed and i feel a lot better than pinning test e 2x week. i dont think the crash is necessary. plus that 2 weeks gives you experience with pinning to see if you have what it takes for an 8 week cutter with short esters or for a 4 week kick with prop etc.
AnonGood point. I read so much controversial stuff that for some reason the number 21 sticks in my head with test E. guess its time to refamiliarize myself with the ester half lives.
i have a link on my desktop...lll send it over to you when i get home...it varies by a couple of days but for calculations sake i used 14 days
AnonRight on bro. Fr sent btw
sounds like 1st cycle , may be wrong, but you will be suprised what you can accomplish in that 14 day come off, there will still be a fair amount in you. Just hit the gym and block out the mental crash... youll be suprised.
Yeah its my first cycle of AAS (done PH's in past)guess i was just worried about this so called crash !
i would ride this first one out to see how you adjust and hit the weights >hard all the way threw PCT, its all about keeping the gains youve made,now thats the tricky part!
Is this your first cycle?
Yes first cycle
Anonno prop taper for first one my man. stick with the test E for 12 weeks. imo, i wouldn't up the dose. it'll take several weeks to kick in, and when it the ester runs out, it'll be like dropping off a cliff. next cycle, you can run your kicker and taper with a higher dose of E, if you like. stick with one compound this go around.
So you would say stick at 250mg for the duration?
Anonto maintain a stable level, yes. you're on week five now, so it's just starting to kick in. if you up the dose, the ester will build up and won't kick until you're almost ready to drop it. i feel that would be a waste for you. why such a low dose?
Being my first time i thought it best to start minimally and see how i react. I see everyone touts 500mg as a "standard" beginner dose but i thought a few years back that this was the case with 250mg being plenty. Guess i thought i always had the opportunity to increase mid cycle but didnt take into account what you are saying which makes real sense! Oh well you live and learn!
Guess i can do 500mg for my second cycle!
Anonright on bro. i was just curious about your thought process, is all. i think it's a good thing that you're taking a more conservative approach first time around. best results i think come from patience, control, and consistency. +1 for taking your time, doing it right, and listening to the advice. keep doing what you're doing
Thanks mate! I know plenty who said anything less than 500 would be a waste of time but 250mg must be a hell of a lot more than natty test production so should show some gains!
AnonI have a couple friends that like running doses in the 250-300 range. They're satisfied with it. I think it really boils down to overall goals; dosing schedules should be goal dependent.
X2, +1 for good advice.
Stick with your test e for your first cycle, keep it simple. Save the prop for a kickstart to cycle number 2.
Cheers for the advice...just getting greedy i think!
That's natural mate, we all do it. When you want to put together cycle 2, drop me a line and we'll build something together.
Cheers fella! Much appreciated