-3 Test and Mast Cut For Second Cycle?? (Prop or E?? what doses??)
Hi guys,
1st post on here.
24 yo, 5'10 190 lbs at 14.5% bf with 5 years training experience. Deadlift 620, Squat 455, Bench 335, although I generally run a PPL type split 6 days a week lifting hitting each muscle twice.
Previous cycles: Have run 5 or so sarm cycles the past two years, LGD 3 times, and osta and s4 twice. Then I ran epi-andro and 4 andro together with ACP-105 and finally decide foook it and should move onto gear and get over the fear of pinning.
Finished a 12 week test only cycle and finished PCT. Gained about 25 lbs in 12 weeks but diet was not clean and a lot was probably bodyfat and water/glycogen but I still think I gained 9-10 or more solid pounds of muscle from this cycle. Doses were 500 test per week, but I started dropping toward 400 later into cycle as I couldn't control the bloat and acne and things like anxiety even playing with aromasin dosages. Once I dropped to 400 and kept aromasin 12.5 eod I didn't have the sides anymore so I finished off cycle at 400 feeling strong and great libido/mental etc.
I am now looking to start running a cycle while cutting down, and want to run test and mast together as I have heard about 90% favorable opinions on masteron complementing test, in regards to hardening/vascularity/libido/less bloat/the SHBG effect, and am trying to figure out dosages and which esters to run.
I have two ideas currently and I want to keep dosages relatively low. IF I run Mast Prop and Test Prop, I would probably just run 100mg EOD. If I run the Enanthate esters, I would prob do 300 test E and 400 mast E per week split into two injections.
Now, part of me wants to lean toward the Enanthate esters due to less pinning but I do know it will take longer to kick in and if I have some sides with the Mast like harsh hair shedding or very bad acne, it would be nice to clear system quicker with prop...
Does anyone have any suggestions about 100mg EOD prop or 300/400 Enth. esters? Has anyone run a similar cycle? Thoughts greatly appreciated! I want to run this minimum 8 weeks, maybe up to 12 even, with my goal of dropping down to 10% bodyfat then maintaining/recomping around there holding leanness.
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I personally likeTest/Mast combo, but you're too young and not really big enough for a cut! So you should rethink what you're doing. Test/Mast is a lean gain cycle for me. I don't think it's the best for cutting anyway; but you do what you want!
jayisk" but you do what you want!"
by his attitude and age he already has his mind up and is going to do what HE wants. Just he expected people to co-sign his bullshit and act impressed by want he wrote.
See he got banned wounder how long before he makes a new account?
Younger social media generation feel this need to tell everyone about everything they are doing. They get some type of gratification that way..,unless it backfires on them and they get roasted.
My generation you kept your mouth shut and only told people very close to you that you could trust.
You're probably right!
At the age of 24.....that ends this conversation.
Your only 24. -2
Your height and weight do to match for a cutting cycle bro. I’m 5’9 and even after I cut I weigh more than your starting at. So your goal is to cut down to 170-175lb? You’re already way to skinny and you’ll just look sick.
jayiskcutting weight to a much lower weight class then a person should be is only good for..., to make weight in a power lifting meet, boxing, MMA, wrestling.
no legitimate reason to cut from 5 ft 11 and 190 lbs to 170 lbs. you dont need steroids or serms/peptides for that. just starve yourself and work out for extended periods of time at 6 days a wk.
must like the new anorexic look in the gyms nowadays. going need a new memory card for all those selfies bro!
Plus he doesn’t need Masteron at 15% bf
jayiskI forgot about that but he will justify .., in his head...why it is the drug for him.
he also ran sarms and i guess peptides or prohormones. not really up on that shit but i noticed he mentioned it.
now the only issue was he needs to "overcome his fear of needles". So it that wasnt a problem he would have started off with gear instead of that other shit.
Your natural testosterone should be pumping at 24. Not that guys your age listen but you shouldn’t be using AAS. Ride that natural train as long as you can. This shit ain’t magic put in the work.
None of this makes any sense to me - you are only 190lb's and looking to cut?! If indeed you have been a powerlifter you'd normally be much heavier at your height and the last thing on your mind especially as you seem to be keen to stress your lifting numbers would be to slim down from an already light bodyweight to a weight where you will lose a tonne of strength and muscle..
And he gained 25 pounds on cycle to get there. So he wants to loose all that doing a cut. Im 207 if i skip two meals a day i drop to 195 in a week. I dont under stand guys wanting to cut at less than 225.
I’m the same way man I’ll be at 205 one day and then the next 195. It just depends on my food that day. But I do think some guys look jacked at 200 and some guys look small it all depends on the body type.
No one is going to suggest anything to you sir. You are 24.
Only suggestions you’ll get are eat and train. No one will sign off on gear for your age
jayisk"generally run a PPL type split 6 days a week lifting hitting each muscle twice"
so you're a body builder. Why did you post your lifts like a power lifter?
afterironBecause I primarily trained as a powerlifter in the past, and still am planning to continue competing in powerlifting after this year. Also to show my experience level as well. I was trying to keep consistent with the post that said "So You want Cycle Advice? Read this" where it said to talk about our experience, so figured I would give you my training experience. Despite the day to day split, I keep powerlifting programming on core lifts, I am just focusing more on physique this upcoming year.
jayisk"trained as a powerlifter in the past, and still am planning to continue competing in powerlifting after this year."
again you are a Body builder now. There is a difference in the steroids, training, and nutrition between the two.
That is info people will need to help you make a discussion.
Rustyhooker24 yo, 5'10 190 lbs at 14.5% bf with 5 years training
Fix your diet.
Exactly what I thought
afterironIn what sense, that I fattened up too much bulking or that I don't have enough muscle mass for my height? Or both? Given my past competing in powerlifting I had to fit into my weight class, and all of those lifts are from below 181 so that explains the weight area that I try staying in. I also maintained in the 160s for awhile and competed at that weight with SBD 410, 305, 565 so I purposefully never put on too much mass
jayisk5'10 and 190 lbs is not average..,its skinny. if you get fat at that weight your nutrition is off. and consider training 6 days a wk you should have no problem with adding muscle and not fat. the 181 lb class is for Natty's that compete in the USAPL. Not for people running PED's. you should at least be in the 205 class.
"so I purposefully never put on too much mass"
why cause you will get smoked in a higher weight class?
you want to be a BB now so forget about your numbers. buy posing trunks, spray tan, and shave your whole body. need to practice posing everyday now.
Why do you keep quoting your numbers? I can blitz you and I'm lighter than you but I wouldn't do what you are doing in my first ever post.
lmao
afterironI'm not trying to disagree or justify or come off as pompous because in the big picture I am very average, I just like your guys' insights on what can be done better