posted Tue, 01/13/2015 - 11:25
2018
Sust/eq cycle setup
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Hey guys I've run 5 or so test cycles over the last 6-7 yrs and added orals on a couple.. Thought about trying Sust and eq for this yrs..
Just not certain on how to run the Sust or eq.. So the way im looking to run it is..
Hcg 500 iu weeks 3-14 twice a week
Sust 300-
Weeks 3-14 - 200mg Eod
Eq-
Weeks 1-14 - 200mg Eod (since I'm pinning the Sust those days I figure I might as well split the eq up Eod too)
Proviron -
Weeks 1-14 50mg Ed
Var-
Weeks 8-14 50-75mg Ed
PCT
Clomid -
Weeks 16-20 50mg Ed (other then the first couple days obviously load up some)
Nolva. -
Weeks 16-18 20mg Ed
Any advice or suggestions are appreciated since this is my first time with Sust or eq..
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What were your last 5 test cycles like? The cycle you are proposing makes no sense to me bud. Yes you need an AI and yes your PCT is OK. But it doesn't appear like you have done your research. Also how old are you? We kind of like to know before we give advice.
Here is what I see with your cycle at a glance Your Sust as you have it laid out, and I am assuming you mean week 1-14, is at 1200 mg of test per week. Your Eq is at 800 mg per week. Typically these ratios are in reverse order. While the EQ is still considered marginally safe at that dosage you should really try the standard 600 per week to see how you respond to it. Eq is one of those where you have a law of diminishing returns past a certain point. Meaning you can take all you want but you will not get any better results which means your throwing good money away and compounding the sides. High blood pressure, acne and anxiety. Your plasma level would be over 1500 mg steady state for the sust. Unless you are a monstrous body builder or pro I do not see the point. Diet is key but its a whole other ball game at that point. (Steady state is the steady amount in the blood at peak levels)
Your median steady state would be over 1000 on the Eq. Also Equipoise Undecylenate has a very long half life and takes about 6-8 wereks to kick. Minimum cycles tend to be 16 weeks like Jello said below.
Your AI is a little heavy and it seems you may need to research it a little better. I can appreciate the fact that you did five test cycles and have had some orals but you made no mention of blood test to track your progress or responses to AI's, test or PCT. These are not absolutes for advice but it really seems like your not really prepared for a cycle like this.
Go back to the drawing board bud.
Diegodelgado750Certainly understand where your coming from and appreciate your experience!
I did mean 500ui of hcg a week (250 pinned twice)
And I was seeing it I would be getting 3 pins a week so 600 test/600 eq..
Stats are
29 yrs old 5'10" 170
Bench 295
Squat 315
Those max are apprx haven't maxed in prob a year as don't have the perfect equipment I work offshore.. Only can get a nice gym every now and then.. Stuck with a mediocre gym on a ship..
What is your opinion on the Sust or the test e? If I was to use the test e it would be 2 pins of 300-350 and 300 eq per week.. I said Eod with the Sust to get it im 3 pins per week.. Was actually planning like a MWS schedule..
Had meant to plan it as a 14 week deal becuase of the eq but I could easily change that to 16 week and push back the var and my pct two weeks..
If I change those numbers around like so does that sound better to you?
Also my previous test cycles were all 8 week test e cept the last was 12 week test e all at 600-700 per week.. Also have used var in the last 3 along with the hcg which seemed to help quite a bit.. The proviron the last cycle really seemed to improve gains too
Again I appreciate any constructive criticism and help..
Diegodelgado750Certainly understand where your coming from and appreciate your experience!
I did mean 500ui of hcg a week (250 pinned twice)
And I was seeing it I would be getting 3 pins a week so 600 test/600 eq..
Stats are
29 yrs old 5'10" 170
Bench 295
Squat 315
Those max are apprx haven't maxed in prob a year as don't have the perfect equipment I work offshore.. Only can get a nice gym every now and then.. Stuck with a mediocre gym on a ship..
What is your opinion on the Sust or the test e? If I was to use the test e it would be 2 pins of 300-350 and 300 eq per week.. I said Eod with the Sust to get it im 3 pins per week.. Was actually planning like a MWS schedule..
Had meant to plan it as a 14 week deal becuase of the eq but I could easily change that to 16 week and push back the var and my pct two weeks..
If I change those numbers around like so does that sound better to you?
Also my previous test cycles were all 8 week test e cept the last was 12 week test e all at 600-700 per week.. Also have used var in the last 3 along with the hcg which seemed to help quite a bit.. The proviron the last cycle really seemed to improve gains too
Again I appreciate any constructive criticism and help..
First off let me apologize for my rant above. While I stand by everything I said I only saw the 300 mg sust eod and did not pay attention to the fact that you are planning on bringing the dose down to 200 mg. How are you going to bring it down to 200 from 300 on your syringe?
You would be better off, if you can, doing 250 E3D of sust and 240 of EQ on the same shot rotation if ou can get close. You would be at 617 and 622 per week. I am about to run the same cycle actually and that is how I set it up. That is with a front load of both compounds. For the first three shots at double dose. I have never been a fan of M/W/S shot intervals because they are not steady. There are too many days between shots that are uneven. I have written a ton of stuff on it. Just look at my profile forum tab. Proviron increases the affinity of most compounds and helps free up free test to be used more. In truth your body only uses about 2% of the free test it produces and the rest is taken by the Sex Hormone Binding Globulin and Albumin. Test is test. whether you use Sust or Enanthate it will still get to your cells. The difference is in the slow release of and quick release of test from the sust combination meant to carry the shot for long periods of time requiring fewer shots.
Check out this post on different esters working together.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-do-different-esters...
Damn, I end work and go to the gym and these pork chops already respond! Listen to Makwa and Jello, they know their shit and will guide you the right way.
Save yourself some pinning and just run 600mg test e/wk and with 600mg EQ. Need only 2 pins/wk. Pinning EOD for 16 wks is going to become a chore.
Anonx2, makes shit way easier
AnonWhy sust for weeks 3-14? Is that a typo? And might want to look into running the eq for 16-20 weeks to get the most out of it. Are you using an ai?
Diegodelgado750And yes I've armidex planning on using as needed.. Typically a 1/4 mg a day.. Sometimes it causes some libido issues of I use too much or too early so I typically play that as I feel needed
And don't know why the hell it's posting my replies twice
.25mg/day is a lot to be taking unless you know you need that much. Most people would be crashing their estro with .25mg ED .25mg E3D starting around wk 4 or 5 is usually a good starting point and confirm that dose with bloods taken around wk 6..
Diegodelgado750Well that's really helpful and explains the issues I've had before.. That's pretty much what I had ended up doing but through trial and error..
And you see no benefit to using the Sust? I know it's just different esters of test.. But had heard of much better results from the Sust compared to the test e.. Figured the Sust my keep the levels at a more ideal level throughout as compared to test e twice a week.. But ya obviously twice a week would be easier.. Just would deal of its worth the results I can pin a different place Eod and only hit the same spot every other week
Going on my 13th cycle and I've tried all esters but I've run sust on at least 8... People dog sust but I prefer it because it provides a kick within 24-48 hours of pinning.. I've had great success pinning every 3rd day when I've run Sust with EQ.. Sust is the main test I use now with prop being the second... While this is not popular opinion it is my experience... Good luck broham.
Diegodelgado750Well that's really helpful and explains the issues I've had before.. That's pretty much what I had ended up doing but through trial and error..
And you see no benefit to using the Sust? I know it's just different esters of test.. But had heard of much better results from the Sust compared to the test e.. Figured the Sust my keep the levels at a more ideal level throughout as compared to test e twice a week.. But ya obviously twice a week would be easier.. Just would deal of its worth the results I can pin a different place Eod and only hit the same spot every other week
No befefit to using Sust so just use some test E or C and go to a twice weekly pinning schedule.
Diegodelgado750And yes I've armidex planning on using as needed.. Typically a 1/4 mg a day.. Sometimes it causes some libido issues of I use too much or too early so I typically play that as I feel needed
And don't know why the hell it's posting my replies twice
Diegodelgado750Being the eq will take 4-6 weeks to kick in(at least that's what I gather) and the Sust will start kickin in in 1-2 weeks.. Figure I should start the eq a week or two before the Sust.. Could be wrong but that's of course the advice im here for.. Very comfortable with a solid test cycle but eq and Sust are completely new to me.. Looking to push it up a notch this cycle though.. And heard good things about these two together
AnonJust start everything in the first week. And eq takes about 8-10 weeks to really kick in.
Why do all your posts show up double? Is it just me or anyone else see this lol
Diegodelgado750Being the eq will take 4-6 weeks to kick in(at least that's what I gather) and the Sust will start kickin in in 1-2 weeks.. Figure I should start the eq a week or two before the Sust.. Could be wrong but that's of course the advice im here for.. Very comfortable with a solid test cycle but eq and Sust are completely new to me.. Looking to push it up a notch this cycle though.. And heard good things about these two together
What are your stats, and I hope that isn't your real name.
Diegodelgado75029 yrs old 5'10" 170
Bench 295
Squat 315
Those max are apprx haven't maxed in prob a year
And no that's not my real name lol
Diegodelgado75029 yrs old 5'10" 170
Bench 295
Squat 315
Those max are apprx haven't maxed in prob a year
And no that's not my real name lol
Diegodelgado750thanks for any help
Diegodelgado750thanks for any help