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SUST, EQ, MAST E ? how should i run this cycle...

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whats up guys, im going to run a sust, eq, mast e cycle. im going to run dbol 50mg ed for the first 4 weeks also. i have ran plenty of cycles in the past but never ran eq or mast e. i want to run the cycle for about 20-22 weeks in order to really get the eq effects. my problem is i dont know what mg i should run them all at. i have sust 250 and 350, eq 350 and 500, and mast e 200 and 250, im going for the lean bulk. any help or input would be fantastic. im 30yrs old, 6' tall and weigh 176. my body fat is about 15% or so... please help bro's..

Roid Noid's picture

why dont you propose a cycle to us that you think is what you want to run? show me that you have ran some cycles, show me that you have done some research, tell my why you think its ok to run 2 new compounds at once? tell me why you picked sust, EQ, and mast? tell me about your goals and your diet? then we can work on dialing you in. because when you ask how should I run this cycle I think well if you dont know you probably shouldnt run it!

Roid Noid's picture

well to be honest with you your cycle history and stats show that there is either a lack of training and or not a good diet! So besides that we give cycle advice in increments of one new steroid at a time. im sure if you have ran cycles before you know why we do that. SO my advice would be to run the EQ and the sust. sust is known for some added water retention but can be dealt with with a mild AI dosage, but you should know all that beings youve ran it before. I would add in the EQ @800mg/w for the duration of the cycle.

Roid Noid's picture

I dont promote 2 new compounds in a cycle, with that being said if you had experience with the EQ or the MAST then this isnt a bad cycle. got some DHT there but if your not worried then no problem. masin can be adjusted on cycle, I wouldnt need that much. if the sust has a deconate ester stop it end of week 21. I would run EQ at 800 but im sure 700 will work. PCT starts beginning of week 24. be advised this is a long cycle and recovery can be a little harder then a 12 week cycle. it may not hurt to bump pct an extra week, 100/100/50/50/50 40/40/20/20/20 or bring in the HCG towards the end and stop before start of PCT, 250/E3.5D

Roid Noid's picture

what is your tren-e experience? cycle length? doses? what was it ran with?

Roid Noid's picture

how many cycles have ran? have you ran tren-a? doesnt sound like you have. as for tren-e sides, your dosage and run time is borderline for effects, I would say chances are good stable blood levels werent reached. If you havent ran tren-a and it doesnt sound like you have i surely wouldnt advise tren-e. Im sticking with my first advice which is sust/EQ.

Roid Noid's picture

thats what you should run, learn how you respond to the EQ so your next cycle will be better.

Roid Noid's picture

I couldnt tell you that frontloaded EQ is worth it, first run best to just let it run its course. yes pct, AI is fine. I did make some adjustments to it I think on my first post.

Doss's picture

an it for only 5 weeks. i didnt get sides at all as i guess im one of those that reacts very well to it,

it's difficult to truly make a statement like this when dealing with such a short run on a long ester, regardless of the hormone it's paired with. a basic understanding of esters can really benefit you in terms of throwing together your cycles, because it will help you understand how the ester effects the release and active life of the hormone it is being paired with.

for example, the enanthate ester provides for a slow release along with a half life of approximately 8-10 days (depending on where you get your information). thru the series of injections, you will get a compounding effect as the hormone builds up in the system and then reaches a peak and levels off. controlling the doses with consistency, you are able to maintain that peak amount for the duration following.

where your cycles become most productive is when time is spent while hormone levels are at the peak. with the enanthate ester, regardless of the hormone it is paired with, you're looking at a peak time of 5-7 weeks (depending on the dose). so, in terms of your first experience with tren, the hormone had just reached it's most active plasma level when it was stopped, thus allowing for a decline. weeks 5-7 is when the general sides would be most pronounced. essentially, this limits the exposure to the compound...

there is a lot to consider with running this type of compound. most people know that testosterone converts to estrogen. but the vast majority of common folks are unaware of the female hormone that is produced when running 19-nor's like tren or deca. this hormone is prolactin. the side effects of elevated prolactin levels range from sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction, gyno, lactating nipples, etc. although very similar to that of estrogen, but absolutely cannot be treated the same. extra precautions must be taken, as well as corrective measures in the case of a flare.

it's somewhat of an indepth topic to discuss... the point i'm hoping to make here is that because so much must be considered, and the risks are higher with this compound, we try to put people through a process before introducing this sort of compound.

roidnoid is right about not advocating more than one new compound. EQ itself will come with some distinct side effects, as well as the masteron. what i don't like about the layout is this:

EQ is probably the slowest to release into and leave the system. between the expiration of the halflives and the controlled release of the hormone, you're looking at approximate 9+ weeks before plasma levels even peak. you may start to experience some sides sooner or as late as that point. then you have the second new compound entering the mix.. i personally like masteron, but considering you are unfamiliar with it, as the hormone begins to kick, you very well may have a hard time distinguishing which compound is causing any of the issues.

until my body got used to EQ, i couldn't add a single DHT to the mix without getting severe lower back pain. even 25mg of proviron would almost cripple me. but that's just me...

EQ is a great compound and will give you the results you're looking for, if you keep your test dose moderate to low-moderate. the higher the test paired with eq the better the bulk. the lower, the better the cut. you want lean bulk, so keep it in the middle with a moderately high EQ. my advice would be to save the masteron for the next cycle, and give that EQ a chance to get you where you want to be. but be sure to train for the goal. these hormones only speed up and tweak the recovery. you gotta stimulate that process in the gym, then fuel it with the right foods.

i'm sure you already know a lot of this. sometimes i think reiterating helps remind people that it's not all about the gear. diet and training is number one; gear is second.

j223's picture

you can run test at 500mg per week and eq at 700 per week since you have eq 350. or 1.5ml of the eq500. mast at 400.

like this
1-4 dbol 50mg
1-20 Sustanon 500mg
1-20 EQ 700-750mg
10-20 masteron 400mg

pct starts week 24 and make sure you have AI, HCG, and any other necessary ancillaries

Roid Noid's picture

EQ is generally stopped 2 weeks before test, so 4 weeks before PCT, with the deconate ester in sust I personally would advise EQ week 20, sust week 21, week 24 start PCT

Doss's picture

Exactly! If it was prop, 100 EOD would be perfect. Can't count mg for mg when comparing short and log esters. The way they release is so much different. Enanthate needs to be much higher than 400.

But let's not forget that eq is also a dht. Nothing like waking up in the middle of the night, multiple times having to piss because your prostate is swollen and putting pressure on your bladder.

Doss's picture

Sent you a fr. Shoot me a pm brother. I'd really like to visit and learn your history. Then we can build something that fits you personally.

J is a sharp guy but he's mistaken on one thing here. His cycle should not be posted out in the forums for the wrong person to read and think its a good idea. Multiple dht's are not a good idea.

j223's picture

that's certainly not true. I ran it at 350mg per week and I sure as hell felt the effects.

600 may be optimal, but 400 is definitely enough to do the job. It's also a relatively long cycle so the mast will have plenty of time to do it's thing.

Doss's picture

You "felt" it doing its thing... I love when I hear that. Lol. How do you propose cycle duration is even a factor when you're proposing to the OP he run it at a low dose for 10 weeks? Would you run test enanthate at 400 and for 10 weeks? Or would you go higher and longer?

j223's picture

masteron at 400 is a good dose, effective, and 10 weeks is plenty. what's wrong with being conservative? Sure I could have recommended he did 600mg for 20 weeks along with his test, and eq but I don't see the point.
the main anabolics in here is the test/eq. the masteron is simply an added aspect of the cycle to help with estrogen control, keep the dry hard look and keep libido strong. Let the test and eq do the muscle building, the mast is simply an estrogen control/bloat reducer/increase shbg nothing else.

Not sure where you are getting at. You are contradicting yourself because you say it's not good to run 2 dht's but you are arguing the masteron (DHT) needs the dose raised AND longer duration.
So you want to increase the dht drug, but you are saying 2 dht's is bad and you failed to prove that you think boldenone is a dht derivative.
Please do explain yourself because I can not figure out what you are trying to prove.

Doss's picture

Two dht's?? Even outside of that, what's the point in starting mast week 10?

j223's picture

due to the prostate effects and other androgenic side effects of masteron, that's why i added it to the second half of the cycle. Sure he could start from week one, but it seems it would make a nice touch at the week 10 to help with bloat, dry out and finish off the cycle.

j223's picture

dianabol and equipose are testosterone derivatives not dht.

j223's picture

pm sent. don't wanna rob forum

Doss's picture

Eq is a dht brother... Might wanna do a quick reference on that. So, stack eq with another dht (mast) and what do you get? Prostate inflammation...

j223's picture

um masteron is the only dht, and i just don't think you need masteron for a full 20 weeks but I suppose he could start from week 1.

Doss's picture

If he was running the short ester version, 10 weeks would be appropriate. But he's not. He's running enanthate, which means plasma levels won't even peak until week 15-17. Then he stops it 3-5 weeks later. That's short changing him. And yes, eq is a dht brother.

j223's picture

BOLDENONE IS NOT A DHT DERIVATIVE

j223's picture

as you can see the only difference is the double bond from the carbon 1 position

j223's picture

this is DHT, no double bonds !

as you can see boldenone has multiple double bonds, because it is modified form of testosterone hence the extra double bond.

Doss's picture

Lmao! And this is why you shouldn't be giving cycle advice fella. 22 years old, never cycles off, already have tren and god knows what else under your belt. But are too closeminded to even acknowledge a simple fact about a compound. Which really surprises me bc you're a pretty sharp and intellectual guy. But I don't have to convince you. Either someone else will correct you or you'll eventually look it up. Either way, I'm out before my trenning ass gets off on a rant.

j223's picture

What exactly is wrong with my advice? You are the closeminded one, you still think bold is a dht and are arguing about it. Please do correct me, I'd love to see your evidence showing boldenone is (supposedly) a dht derivative.

10 weeks of masteron is more than enough time to run it enanthate or not. It has negative effects on the prostate which is why I suggested he start it mid cycle and not the whole cycle.

Doss's picture

Lmao. You and I can go round and round forever. Be like old times and the aromasin shit. I'm not gonna argue with you nor waste my time with you. You're smart but you're young, and you're wrong. I learned this te hard way when I got my ass reamed out by vike, monstar, and a couple other more experienced folks here. A quick reference proved I was wrong. But that's neither here nor there. Like I said, I'm out before I get worked up over your argumentative ass.

j223's picture

We're both men here. I can post more and more info about boldenone than the basic structures I already did. But the truth is, it's not going to change your mind. Just like the aromasin argument from the past, no matter how much proof I bring to the argument you always end the argument by saying "you are too young and incorrect, you wouldn't understand" so lets agree to disagree. No matter what I say or do, nothing will change your mind on the type of drug boldenone is. You seem incapable of accepting knowledge from me because I am younger than you. I don't mind, I respect that you disagree with me - no hard feelings.

But even more importantly, I would love if you could bring real hard evidence and prove me wrong. Or anyone for that matter. We are all here to learn. The world of hormones, steroids and endocrinology is an extremely complex field of study. Everyday more and more things are learned and discovered. So I encourage you to bring your studies to prove me wrong. I'm all ears.

Roid Noid's picture

go make a thread in anabolic steroid section about it and stop high jacking this guys thread, and I almost just banned your ass for a week but I realize you where typing when i posted my warning.

Roid Noid's picture

you two need to knock it the fuck off! your both wrong anyway for advising the guy on 2 new compounds at once!