posted Thu, 04/24/2014 - 15:23
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Sust cycle
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31 years old
5'8
173 lbs.
Finishing first cycle, and planning 2nd.
1st cycle: 400mg test cyp 12weeks
Question: would 12week 500 mg Sustanon + first 6 week 30mg Dbol kick start be a reasonable second cycle?
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The prop enter makes my libido go threw the roof....Love sust for trt
You can use sus as a base, but I'm not sure what the real attraction is. When I do that I sit at a computer with a steroid cycle program and plug in all the sus esters and play with the pinning schedule just to see how the plasma level builds and unwinds. It's fascinating to see it on a graph, really it is. Just some useless info --- Sustanon I would say was a failure for Organon who designed it to minimize the injection schedule in testosterone replacement therapy. Like Doss says below, it creates volatility in the plasma levels - exactly what you don't want in TRT. Also, like Doss says -500/week of Test E or Test Cyp is a far better idea. Try the prop kicker instead of dbol.
Couldn't disagree more. Sust esters keep levels more stable do to all different esters. It's perfect for trt. I am trt and my libido is best on sust. Test e and c do nothing for my libido. You say test e with a prop kicker. Sounds close to Sust
That just confirms that we all react differently to compounds. Quite differently in fact. I'm on TRT as well, and my levels are not stable on sus. In fact, if you run sus through a computerized cycle design program plugging in all the different sus esters and their different half-lives, you can see visually the instability in the blood plasma level. Nothing quite compares to technology to tell the truth, regardless of how we feel.
But for u - if it ain't broke don't fix it . . .
You are right. Test e and c do nothing for me but sust I feel like a boy in puberty.
Sent you a FR, got a Q for ya.
Accepted. :-)
I want to thank everyone for some awesome responses - pure gold.
Gear, would you propose I do 100mg eod or 150 mg eod for the prop kick start and for how many weeks?
Thanks
If u run 100 mg eod for 3 weeks on a Test E cycle 500/wk bi weekly injections u should be fine. 4 weeks is overkill if u run it through a cycle design program which I just did. Folk run prop 4 weeks a lot eod but it isn't necessary. A lot of us run these kickers and tapers without really thinking about it, so for the first time ever I actually looked at it . . .
If I were you, and I say this from experience, learn how to dose your AI with long and short esters combined plus how you react to the short esters before running sust. It's a great blend but creates more volatility with plasma levels than a single ester does. Flu symptoms and acne are more common for me with sust. I've had some sust with where those sides were too overwhelming to keep with it. Was just the way I reacted to the particular lab, but bed ridden flu symptoms for weeks.
My advice: running some cyp or enanthate at 500/week with a prop kicker. See how you like the prop with the cyp. Then consider adding the oral with the same mix next time or running sust.
Honestly before u start planning your second cycle I'd see how your pct goes and how well your hpta responds. Then if everything is a success start thinking bout your second cycle kinda putting the cart in front of the horse IMO. How successful was your first cycle if u are only 173? U might lose everything during your pct if you aren't on point finish this one. Come back with results then well help plan the next one
Don't be so quick to gauge someone's progress based on a scale number that seems low. Lean body mass increases and/or bf% decreases are where the real progress lies.
Some ppl just have smaller frames and faster metabolisms. Ya dig?
Wasnt judging he said he was finishing first cycle and wieghtes 173 I didn't know maybe he only gained five pounds without dropping any body fat just asking how his cycle was goin
No doubt bro. Just the way it sounded. A lot of guys are quick to say shit like "you need to eat more... Or you need to focus on this or that bc you're obviously not doing something right." Bc their body weight isn't 200+. Not always the case tho. But I feel what you're saying. You never know
Its all good lol I see the way it was worded not how I meant it. I don't put anyone down and always respect your opinion hope one day to be half the contributer u are sir :-)
started at 150lbs. I'm up 23lbs. in 6 weeks pretty successful so far..
The reason I am planning it now is because my buddy is ordering his and I wanted to get in on free shipping + money transfer.
that's great and all, but you could have done that without gear.
If you're only 6 weeks in to your first cycle then you shouldn't be starting another cycle for another 6 months. If you're worried about saving 25 bucks on shipping this far in advance then you may have money problems and should be spending what you do have on food instead. I mean, I get what you're saying, why not save a few bucks by making a group order, but first get your shit together. Maybe try to cover the cost of shipping by being patient and getting in on promos over the next six months.
I agree but I will throw out there that theres nothing wrong with being a few cycles ahead. Especially on ancillaries! Having the maturity to finish pct and go through with the time off is all about self control.
So far let's see how your body does with pct. U are getting way ahead of yourself u are only six weeks in this one u should be worrying bout getting your blood work done not your next cycle. It hard to know what to tell u as far as a next cycle when we don't know how successful your first one is. Usually your first couple should only be test. So u get to know how your body reacts with test.
RustyhookerAgree. He can review entire cycle and learn from it. Too msny folks want to hurdle into something bigger when simple cyp/enanthate will always produce gains if foods/gym are on point.
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