posted Wed, 03/11/2015 - 05:02
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OK, I have plenty of test p, and tren a... I am looking to do a 12 week cycle with these but I also want to add some winny or var just not sure which one would be better, and maybe some Mas P.. Any advice on this would be great.. I also have Nolva, hcg,clomid, and Letro.. so my SERM's and AI's are covered..
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6ccedTry this.
Dose everyday
200mcg t4
25mg ephedrine pre cardio and pre workout
200mg caffeine same dosing
1.25mg letrozol
.5mg pramipexol
50mg prop
75mg tren a
50mg mast p
50mg anavar pre workout
50mg winstrol pre fasted cardio
Just in case anyone reading this thinks about replicating, don't. To quantify, 200mcg of T4 is an almighty dose and you WILL feel extremely unwell with potentially very severe consequences. Most people that have had their thyroid removed completely due to nodules or thyrotoxicosis, (myself being an example) are put into a eurythroid condition on between 100 and 150mcg of T4 ed. This guy suggests someone with a normally functioning thyroid taking 200mcg. One of the most irresponsible things I've read.
Fasted cardio? You'd be lucky to make it up a few stairs.
Your not giving off much of a warm fuzzy feeling to the board about your experience with short esters. From the sounds of it you should not be running tren bud.
Really if you want some advice posting your cycle experiences and what you are trying to achieve is a good way to get help. The biggest way to solicit help from the veterans is to post an intended cycle along with your reasons for the compounds in the cycle. This shows due diligence and research on your part and a willingness to listen or be open to sensible ideas.
ok, gotcha i can def do that, i have done quite a bit of research, i am always listening... I am at work now, but I def will gt that posted up!! Thanks for the info/help cry_havoc!!
Great! I can't wait to see what you come up with!
Come up with..??? I think i may see a bit of sarcasm in there.. but none the less.. All came from CENSORED.. I wasnt a small guy to begin with, but very new to gear.. the guys at the gym all used CENSORED at the time so this where the first few cycles came from..
First Cycle: 8 weeks 1-8: Sus (250 amps) and EQ (200) 3X week
PCT: Nolvadex 40/40/20/20, Clomid 100MG for 2 weeks, and Proviron(dont remember)
Second Cycle: Just oral Anadrol 4 weeks 100 one day 50 the next..
I ran 10MG of Nlva for the first 2 weeks and 20 the last 2 weeks and 2 more weeks after the cycle along with Letro ( it was liquid I started with 1 mg and it shut the boys completely down so i backed to .5, and worked my way back to 1, I am very sensitive to Letro, closes up shop fairly quick for me)
I know for sure those were the first 2 from there I cant remember the exact order
3rd: 8 weeks: Test E 3X week, Deca 3X, Tren E 3X
I use pretty much the same protocol each time with the Nlva, and Letro. I have used clomid but only that one time.
4th: 12 weeks: Test E 3X, EQ 3X Tren E 3x and halo 10MG ED for 2 weeks and 20MG for 2 weeks
5th: 10 Test E 2X Tren E 2X Dbol 25MG first 2 weeks, and 50MG week 3-4 and 25MG weeks 5-6
6th: Hydrotropin 200 iu kit ( I had 2 ) started with 2 ED, except Sunday, then made way to 5iu's ED until kits were gone. Also ran Test E once a week ( on Mondays)doing 2 CC's @ 300MG
7th: 12 Test C (couldnt get Test e at that time) 3x a week, Deca 2X week,
i did a few 2/3 weekers meaning I would start back to the gym and front load on Monday and thursday like 2 CC's (300MG) Test E for 2/3 weeks just to get me going, even if some of it was in my head..
As you can see most/all my cycles are pretty similar all long esters. I always had good results so I just stuck with them. Im pretty built and big and wanted to cut down some weight maybe 250/245ish..
Also i have taken clen and T3 off and on and sometimes with cycles..
I am at work so I do not have much time to respond. You have done quite a few cycles and more than a few 19 nors. I did not see caber in any of your mixes so I wonder what your prolactin looks like. If you never ran any blood test during your cycles than that is the first thing I would do. Your first cycle of sust and Eq really didn't do you much justice as it takes 8 weeks just for equipoise to kick in. Any gains you made off that cycle were more than likely from the sust. You are no stranger to pinning or pip i presume so why not run a prop and mast prop cycle for 8 weeks pinning every day. I could help you devise a pinning schedule to keep your levels in check and maybe even shed a few pound. This is contingent on what your current body fat and dietary habits are of course. I would shy away from the T3 and Clen for a long while as they have been known to be very toxic to your system without proper tests and schedules.
I would research 19 Nors here on eroids as there was a lot of information missing from your cycles regarding the tren and the deca.
No sarcasm intended in this one or the prior statement above.
I guarantee you you've misinterpreted CH there, sarcasm isn't him at all. I think what we're hoping to see is a cycle plan that you in mind to be tweaked.
I agree with goose below. 12 weeks is a bit long from what Ive researched. Ive not run tren, but Ive read a lot about it and asked questions because I want to do a short ester run. Ive got an 8 week tren a, mast prop, test prop run in my stash.
As far as winny goes, I do have experience there. It dried me the fk OUT! Had to come off and stop training for a bit because my shoulders couldnt handle it. I think mast could exacerbate that problem if youre predisposed...
Yeah bro, gonna be my first rodeo and before i started i wanted to be informed as much a possbile.. Not sure about the winny or var, but I have heard that the Mas P is DHT derived and can cause much faster hair loss.. have you ran it yet? Just seeing what you thought about that, and as far as the tren goes I can def cut it short need be, i think that may be the consensus.
Weight should be 266 not 166.. i will have to check that out, no im not a tall string bean... I have done quite a few cycles starting when I was in my early 20's first ever was sus and eq, and then got more advanced from from running cycles with Test e, tren e, deca, dbol, anadrol, halo and HGH (havent done HG in a while so $$), but I have never used any short esters bc i never really cut so I decided to run some shorter esters and try to cut down.. Right now my caloric intake is lower than it usually is due to work.. but I would say somewhere around 2800-3200 (not clean but not too dirty)...
Yes please update your stats lol...
As far as the "cycle" you proposed I think most people would have an issue with you running tren for that long. tren is not something you want to be on during your whole cycle bud. If you have your mind set on the tren what dose were you planning on running?
reality is i am ALWAYS open to new ideas, im no dumbass to this stuff but def not the best so.. If you have a suggestion shot i will always listen..The longest I have tren in the past was 10 week and that was tren e..
week 1-8 Test p 100mg ED weeks 8-12 test p 100mg EOD
week 1-8 Tren a 100mg ED weeks 8-12 tren a 100mg EOD
will be taking SERMS/AI's
thoughts, suggestions, changes..???
any im really stuck on which one to take winny or var, or shit should i throw some Mas p in there.. all these I know about but new to me personally...
Honestly to not make this a novel here's the short and sweet of what I think. Just my .02 since you don't have a lot of experience with short Easter I would just run the test prop and pick either the winnie or the var. See how your body reacts to the short esters and see how bad the winnie dried you out. Anavar would be a better idea if your joints tend to dry out easily.
Good idea. Ed pinning is no joke! Best to be sure you can handle it before adding serious compounds like tren...
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You want to run a 12 week cycle of test and tren?? :( ugh... Just curious of your cycle history? How many days a week do you workout? How many cal. Daily do you intake?
Edit: if you're 6'3" 166lbs no disrespect but you should really focus on a complete diet and train really hard to try to get to 190 bud. The problem is when you don't have a good base to start with and you just simply rely on the test and tren (not only will it shut you down HARD) but once you come off you will go right back to where you were and not keep any gains, with the knowlage of proper diet and training you'll build a strong base and be able to retain a lot more of your gains. Just something to think about.