Specific Advice on second cycle
Hey guys, I need a little bit of help with my second cycle. It's an interesting situation, but here goes...
I ran 600mg of test e for six weeks and then test c for the last four weeks on my first cycle. I stacked that with 600mg a week of tren e as well and rounded off with Nolvadex for my PCT.
After I came off my cycle, my gains stayed pretty good so far, but my appetite and cravings have gone out of control. I also have been diagnosed by my doctor two years ago, at age 29 with low T. So I have been doing a blast and cruise kinda program. I notice that on my cruise, I will do my 200 mg on Sunday and by Friday, I feel horrible. I know it's a symptom of the low T.
So I'm basically trying to figure out a good stack for my second run. I want to gain more mass but (I know it sounds stupid) but drop fat. The tren was great for melting away the fat too.
I'm 31 years old, weigh 270 lbs, and am 6'1". Can someone help me out with my situation?
Thank you very much!
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I also have to mention this. Two years ago, is when I found out that I have low T. I believe (although I could not find medical proof of this) that the reason my Testosterone dropped is because in 1995 I was in a car wreck that totaled my car. Since 1995, I have been on painkillers to ease my back pain. I have had a non evasive surgery on my back once and multiple PT sessions. I think there is some link between opiods and low testosterone in males.
That being said, I had been on TRT since 2010 when I found out that I had low Testosterone. My doctor had me taking 400mg per week of Test E when I first started and then moved me to Test C over time. They tried to have me take the Test for a few months, and then I would go on Nolva or Clomid PCT to jump start my natural Test production. Nothing ever worked out for me.
So if someone thinks that my intake of test might be high for my first cycle, remember that I had been on Test for over 18 months at the start of my first cycle. The only thing I really did was up my Test a bit and added the Tren. I only did about 450mg per week of the Tren.
Hope this helps out.
Thanks again.
tread-mWhen you say low T what does that mean, do you have a number? The other thing is where are your igf-1 levels when you are ramped up on test. These are things you need to discover before you do anything else. If you test levels are low at your age there is this possibility that it is actually low growth hormone and the body cant make the necessary balance in the hpg axis and discards the overage in test...small likelyhood but possible. If you can test your igf-1 now on fucked up cruise (lol), then you will know if the growth is keeping up with test. If it is, I suspect it is, then trt would be in order. The very first thing I would do is switch to dialy or eod test prop as opposed to long etsers on cruise. It is much more like natty and can be controlled on a dime. Would really like to ask a lot more here but as RN said, much is wrong in your thinking and that is translated in your cycle program, on and off. Without the tests its no only hard to say what level of trt you need but its hard to know if you may actually need full hrt...after 40 we can generalize a lot more but for you its much tougher.
Yes. My test levels first tested at 180, then when they tested again, i was at 153.
I don't know what my igf-1 levels are unfortunately.
The TRT is 400mg every 2 weeks, or 200mg every week. Thats pretty much what my doctor told me to take.
tread-mWow, 153 is bottom of the barrel and thats before we even consider how young you are. I see your point on high end test, your number on the cruise would interest me a great deal though to give us some indication if maybe even the natty growth hormone is messed up. If test levels go way up to say even 400 given how low you are natty then that tells us your growth hormone is making the adjustment in order to make the balance in the axis. If your test levels are still pretty low on this cruise, lets say around 300 or under then I think you can assume you need to use hgh to create a higher balance and better uptake of your test. I dont oppose your higher than norm test run knowing your level on test but the test level on your cruise would be a powerful tool for you....have they not retested you at all? I'll have to reread, dont recall you saying...
Ive been tested three times. I recall that one of those three times, my doctor wanted to see where I tested after I stopped the test injections. What I don't recall is how long after. It was between 2 to 4 weeks after I was off. After that, I went on Nolva to try to kickstart my natural production again, which obviously didn't work. I remember that that test was in the 900 range. I don't know the exact score though. But you can imagine, that since nothing ever works, i came CRASHING down afterwards. Its super weird too... My mood changes, and i have no work drive, and no sex drive. Its a really odd feeling. Now, when I was cycling, I had none of those feelings. I felt absolutely amazing. However, I am aware that Tren is hard on your body and I was told to stay away from it on multiple cycles in a row. I dunno.
Nasty81NateThat much tren first cycle! Tren is a bad idea on a first cycle PERIOD! You prolly F'd up your shit for life bro....jeez
AnonIm going to pick my jaw up off the floor and then tell you to listen to everything Roid Noid tells you. My input beyond that would be pointless.
Well the first thing im confused on is why are you pinning only on Sun? ofcourse your gonna crash on Fri and Sat...Pin Twice a week for stable blood levels...Im confused as to how you ran a cycle of test-e and dont know to pin every 3.5 days?...What kind of sides did you experience with that first cycle?
I was pinning every Sunday when Im on cruise because thats what my doctor told me to do. He originally told me to do 2 CC's once every two weeks, but the crash was horrible. So then I went to 1 CC every week and that turned out to be a lot better.
The side effects that I was getting were really only low sex drive here and there, a little bit of irritability, and acne. Nothing else that noticeable to be honest.
Bro I hate t o tell you this but your doc is retarded, start reading here http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performanc...
the first 5 or 6 sticky's will set you straight on trt
Dude, you're fucking amazing! I have read more in one topic that has helped me understand TRT then ever before.
Now for the money question....
Do you think I should cycle anymore? Am I fucked for life? Im 31 and I still want to have kids and i have a super low sperm count. I dunno. I have seen a lot of bulking gains that I love and it makes me feel great about myself, which is why I would like to go on another cycle. I have been reading a lot, but as you see, my scenario is pretty specific.
Any thoughts RN?
Dang dude! You should have got some advice before you ever started that first cycle. 600mg of tren a week on a first cycle, DAMN!! I dont even know what to say to you.
Hey dude, sorry....i fucked up. I had to go grab my diary. I wrote the question while I was waiting in a lobby at Walgreens and didn't think about the actual measurements till I looked at the responses.
I was pinning Sun, Tues, Thurs, between 3/4 to 1cc of 150mg per CC tren every week. I was doing the same thing with the Test. 3 pins of 200mg per CC per week.