Second Cycle: Test-E + EQ
So a bit of background, I've had historically low test (~190 @ 20yo, diet & sleep optimized but test only went up to mid-200's), all health levels have been optimal otherwise. I got to the point where I was deciding on either TRT or running a cycle (which I was going to do anyways after I turned 25), so here's what my first coach wrote up for me. He kind of half-assed the PCT and the dosages, left me to figure it all out, he basically said "take Anavar for like 10 weeks" and "run Clomid for 4-6 weeks", very vague and I was not in the place to take advice that way. Also, after this he suggested test/tren/mast for a second cycle and that's when I decided he wasn't the one for me.
First cycle:
12 weeks: 375mg Test-E/wk (supposed to be 250mg/wk, misread the label, calculated it out wrong and I did 375 for three weeks so we just stayed there)
10 weeks: 50mg Anavar/day (supposed to be 20mg ED, coach's plug sent wrong dosage, coach okayed it)
2 weeks post: 10,000iu total HCG @ 500iu EOD
2 weeks post: 25mg Clomid ED
I got blood work done after I finished the HCG (two weeks ago), test levels still came back @ 290 ng/dL, so I worked with a HRT specialist, we're going to run Test-Cyp @ 200mg/week & Clomid @ 25mg ED for 10 weeks, reassess blood work, take an additional 2-4 weeks to correct levels as needed, and then I am wanting to do a second cycle (lean mass/fat loss).
I started my first cycle @ 270 lbs, ate in a 400-500 calorie deficit @ 220g protein, ended the 12 weeks @ 260 lbs. Once PCT rolled around and right before I started TRT, I weighed in @ 252, still around 20% BF or so, and at such a high BF% I didn't get much out of Anavar. Unfortunately, the HCG didn't bring my test levels up to optimal, so it looks like @ 25yo I'll be on TRT moving forward.
I'd like to get down to about 250 or so before I start my next cycle, and 10 weeks on TRT should be plenty of time to achieve that. Aside from that, I want to gain as much lean mass as possible. I've competed in tested powerlifting before, but I love training for bodybuilding, so while I want to keep the movement patterns of compound movements (squat/bench/deadlift) in my skillset, I want to train purely for hypertrophy. I'll be eating in a caloric deficit for the next 10 weeks
I felt like a walking house on test, and I'm looking forward to getting that feeling back once my test is (hopefully) optimal. Liver enzymes came back very nominal, so I'm not necessarily opposed to running another oral, but I'd like to run an oil for a second compound before I put an oral back in as a major variable (Anadrol would be my first pick). Here's what I was thinking:
16 week cycle
1-16: 500mg Test-E/wk (Sun PM/Thu AM)
1-16: 300mg EQ/wk (Sun PM/Thu AM)
I've also heard front-loading EQ is beneficial instead of waiting 4-6 weeks for it to kick in, would it be a good idea to run it @ 500mg/wk for the first two weeks and then drop it back down to 300mg for the remainder of the cycle?
1-16: 0.5 mg Arimidex EOD
For PCT (as mentioned in the third paragraph, I'll be on HRT level test), would I run Clomid @ 25mg ED 2 weeks post blast for 4 weeks?
I'd love to hear any feedback, I'm reading Anabolics by Llewellyn currently and am trying to learn as much about pharmacology as possible, but I'm still very new to the topic as it's been "taboo" most placesI've went. Thanks in advance!
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AnonRusty has taken the time to really help you here. You say you want to get off and run cycles, which is good at your young age. So take Rusty's advice. As for the extra fat, cardio your ass off. Diet is important too, but cardio is king. You can't burn fat in a healthy way just by dieting.
A lot of buzzwords which translate to alarm bells round here. Sounds like you’ve been on a constant mission for a co-sign.
Did I pick up wrong or are you still in early 20s??
No, I'm 26 currently. I'm not looking for a co-sign, but I acknowledge I took the wrong path previously and I'd like to correct it moving forward so that this situation does not occur again.
We keep on seeing this type of crap here nowadays, just reads to me like young lads enlisting the help of a stranger online in the guise of a 'coach' who in fact is just someone giving out really crap steroid advice for money. Then we have people like yourself looking for all the reasons and excuses as to why they need TRT at only 25 years old.
I'm not looking for reasons or excuses to be on TRT, I would really prefer to get back to being OFF, but my previous coach was a friend of mine and I wrongly trusted him which ended with where I'm at now.
RustyhookerHRT specialist, we're going to run Test-Cyp @ 200mg/week & Clomid @ 25mg ED for 10 weeks
Thats a quack. Not a specialist at all. So you ran 1 cycle with partial recovery and went right onto trt with this specialist ?
Your pct was not good in any way. So youre choosing trt at 25?
Rustyhooker@ceehi diaper up!
I may have misspoken, the person I'm working with now has their FCCS, CCRN, FAAMFM and have worked with lots of other athletes that I know with success. My coach previously did half-ass my PCT I agree, so it's more damage control at this point it seems., I'd prefer to be OFF.
RustyhookerDamage control includes a real pct now....then retest 1.5months after to know you were successful.
All those letters of certificates are great as asswipe. Dude effed you up and youre thanking em?
Cmon man....im old af and not born yesterday. Youre only gonna get help with honest answers. Some karma clown gonna pop on here and cosign this rediculous ideals
That's what I'd like help with!
So the person I went to for blood work is different than my previous coach, my previous coach was the one that said "yeah just PCT with HCG and Clomid" and I had to fill in the blanks as a newbie and I would NOT like to thank them. The person I'm with now ran my bloods and I threw the idea of TRT at them, which he said he'd employ if I was a client of theirs.
Of course they would want you as a client. You are money in their pocket. They do not want you to recover your natural HPTA cause then they lose money. You need to go to a real clinic with a doc who is more interested in your health than lining his pockets like these TRT clinics.
Rusty has you set.
RustyhookerThey do not want you to recover your natural HPTA cause then they lose money
Gold!!
Rustyhookerhttps://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/simple-pct-...
Basskiller.com had a reboot pct posted. It was 2weeks hcg at 500iu eod with 6.25aro to keep estro down in check. Followed by the simple clomid nolva pct. Hcg to fire up the leydig cells and simple pct to keep the poditives rolling without getting negative feedback loops. Light aro with the hcg because high estro will stop pct by negative feedback loops.
Month and half after pct stops get your full baselines. Privatemdlabs....quest dignostics etc. Hormone panel of course and if you search properly you can have the rest checked as well. Used to be a female hormone panel for bout 80bucks and checks same as male panel for 150.
If successful on reboot.....take time off roids. Continue pushing towards goals. At least wait til next spring imo. Its your body....