+ 1 Second cycle recomp setup
Research for my second cycle
Looking for opinions on my cycle setup.
First cycle was in 2011. I was 170lbs and 10-12%bf when I started the cycle. I gained 26lbs and kept 16lbs after pct. A couple months later I got blood test and everything was normal.
Fast forward to more recent times. My diet hasn’t been great this past year but it’s time to tune it up a notch or two. Right now I’m 29 standing at 5’9”, 190lbs, 12-14%bf. I’m taking vitamins, fish oil, cla, zma, Creatine, glutamine, bcaa’s, NO booster, protein, Melatonin, Probiotics, test booster( trib, fenugreek, ashgwanda...)
Now my diet is cleaner.
200-300g protein/day
Complex carbs
No/very low sat fats and low cholesterol
My goal is lean gains and 10%bf
Gear
2x Eq 300/ml
2x mast e 200/ml
2x test e 250/ml
1x test e 400/ml
Proviron 25mg x100
Hcg 15,000iu
Arimidex 1mg x50
Tamoxifen 20mg x100
Clomid 50mg x100
Cycle Option
Weeks 1-14
Test E 600/w 300/Monday & Thursday
Proviron 25mg/d
(If necessary) adex .5-1mg/eod
Weeks 15-16
Hcg 1000iu/w
Weeks 17- 20
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50.
Should I add or change anything to burn more bf?
(I am cleaning up my diet and adding some tabata to the routine)
I read somewhere that hcg doesn’t work as well with clomid and nolva but I’m not so sure if it’s true.
Anyone know anything about hcg, clomid, and nolva interactions?
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I’ve been doing a lot of reading and I’m going to train harder, and keep my diet clean Until I reach 10% bf.
Then I might run a cycle.
Weeks 1-12
Test E 500mg/w 1cc/Monday & Thursday
Proviron 50mg/d
(If necessary) adex .5-1mg/eod
Weeks 13-15
Hcg 1000iu/w
Weeks 16-19
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Thanks for everyone’s advice and opinions keeping me in check.
RustyhookerUse bloods to check the ai. Too much ai will crash estro and halt gains.
Your new layout should make it FUN and land you bout 205 lean. +2
basskiller89x2
Thanks rusty,
Should I have my doctor do blood test or
Should I get it done from a private lab?
RustyhookerI use privatemdlab. Online theres labs that can test. Female hormone panel at privatemdlabs is 69 bucks. Same as males for less and theres discount codes. I think march2018 is the current
I was checking out privatemdlabs and I found that they don’t offer their services in Massachusetts...
I’m going to search for other options
RustyhookerGoogle blood testing and different places should pop up. Small clinics, quest diagnostics etc
I have an appointment with Quest Diagnostics tomorrow for
-Lipid Panel
-Testosterone, Total, LC/MS/MS
-Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/TestDetail.action?ntc=30289
Testosterone, Total, LC/MS/MS
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/TestDetail.action?ntc=15983
Lipid Panel
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/TestDetail.action?ntc=7600
Thanks! I’m going to check privatemdlabs out now!
RustyhookerI hope you do not try what you posted.
And your replies of 14 or 16 weeks. Youre being spoonfed for your phishing. Why are you looking and researching?
I’ll save the gear for future cycles. I’m “looking and researching” here for advice and opinions from experienced veterans with AAS; So I can learn from others experiences and hopefully expand my limited knowledge and experience.
And what do you mean by
my replies of 14 or 16 weeks?
And
I’m being spoon fed for my fishing?
Do you mean people are telling me what I want to hear or that I’m not doing the research and just getting the answers from people here “the easy way”?
RustyhookerI’m not doing the research and just getting the answers from people here “the easy way”?
Bingo! All your above posted 'options' shows clearly that you didnt research
Ok. I’m going to put my cycle on hold and I’m going to do some research. I have read into individual AAS compounds but I guess I haven’t read enough on people’s actual cycles and experiences to learn what works and what not to do.
Does anyone have suggestions for good research materials or informative articles/logs/etc..?
RustyhookerGroups....first cycles explained.
Just poking ya to read a bit first so that everything is easy and growing is fun. Yes the complex cycles look neat on paper. Until youre hitting oil every day, counting hours til pin, counting calories, etc etc etc......all work circling gear and not just enjoying new mass.
You’re already on the right website. There’s hundreds of pages of valuable posts here. Cycle logs. Compound discussions, training, food, sleep, all of that is covered here.
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For My Next Cycle
Weeks 1-14
Test E 525/w - 150/eod
Proviron 25mg/d
(If necessary) adex .5-1mg/eod
Weeks 15-16
Hcg 1000iu/w
Weeks 17- 20
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Should I adjust any dosages?
... or maybe add some Mast E weeks 8-14..? J/k.
Anymore opinions or advice?
Lol funny guy.
Nice job taking the advice, it’s the correct advices.
I’d double the provi to 50 a day. 25 am/pm. You don’t have to, but I’d personally run 25 mg every 250 mg if test. I think you’re really going to like what the proviron does for you.
I don’t have to much experience with proviron.
In your opinion, what is it’s place in a cycle?
Is it to increase free test?
Increase free test and regulation of estrogen. It can make it so you don’t need an AI at all, but of course go off of bloodwork since everyone is different. I see more hardening and polish brought to the physique when it otherwise would have been more watery. It’s an ancillary, don’t rely on it for gains but with testosterone it highlights all the good effects and lessens the bad.
Thanks for that excellent explanation.
Thanks Beard, I will do that.
Why EOD with long ester?
When I had several injectable compounds it made sense. But with only test e.. I have no good reason. I’ll change it to 250 twice a week
basskiller89Too much gear brother
A basic beginner cycle would be more than enough
I could run an only test e cycle at 500/week with proviron and hcg. But Would it not be beneficial If I Used Mast during this cycle for the benefits of its high affinity for binding to SHBG, increasing free testosterone; and it anti-estrogenic properties.
I could run test e 350/w and mast e 258/w with the proviron and hcg...
Weeks 1-14
Mast E 258/w - 125/e3d
Test E 350/w - 150/e3d
Proviron 25mg/d
Hcg 500iu/w
(If necessary) adex .5-1mg/eod
Weeks 15-16
Hcg 1000iu/w
Weeks 17- 20
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Should I shorten or lengthen the cycle?
Increase/decrease dosages?
Remove anything else?
I think maybe we’re starting to get somewhere
basskiller89I never needed a second compound to grow or cut
I think a 16 week cycle of 500mg/week + an AI is more than enough
Like this?
Weeks 1-16
Test E 525/w - 150/eod
(If necessary) adex .5-1mg/eod
Weeks 17-20
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
basskiller89I would expect good results form a cycle like that brother
Probably would want to throw HCG into that PCT
Good idea. There was no buffer between test and pct.
Weeks 1-14
Test E 525/w - 150/eod
(If necessary) adex .5-1mg/eod
Weeks 15-16
Hcg 1000iu/w
Weeks 17- 20
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50.
Like so?
Why not run hcg during cycle?
And why no proviron?
Proviron is safe and the benefits outweigh the few side effects it may cause. Think of these terms with all compounds. So a test cycle with proviron and what you showed above looks a lot safer and your results will be better with fewer side effects or issues than original plan. Save the rest for future. Good job +1 for taking advice, that's why we are here helping people. Learning from one another. Always works out better and healthier
How about hcg on cycle?
I just haven't used it enough to tell you lol. I don't. Post cycle yes. During cycle is a debate and is Not necessary
basskiller89You should ask Rusty or Makwa about proviron, I've never used it
I always did my HCG 2 weeks after my last injection of test enanthate
So you think I should drop the mast and run
Test 500/w 16 weeks with adex or nolva; without hcg and proviron?
basskiller89I don't think you're big or lean enough to be touching steroids honestly
I think a beginner cycle is more than enough
I've always run HCG for PCT, I don't have experience running it during a cycle
Thanks for all of the advice and opinions I’ve received so far!
I’m here seeking advice from the experienced and I’m not going to blatantly ignore anything that has been said. Everything is taken into consideration and is appreciated.
What do you think if If I cut it down like this?
Weeks 1-14
Mast 258/w - 125/e3d
Test 350/w - 150/e3d
Proviron 25mg/d
Hcg 500iu/w
(If necessary) adex .5-1mg/eod
Weeks 14-16
Hcg 1000iu/w
Weeks 16-20
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
It’s definitely much better. Is that mast P or E?
I ask because mast won’t do a lot at that dosage or bf%. So I’d rather see you drop to 10% the first 8 weeks and then run Masteron much higher from weeks 8-14 where it will shine.
Mast e
You don’t need gear at 190lb and 14% bf.
I’m guessing you haven’t read up on EQ at all seeing as how you want to run it for 11 weeks....
And what’s the Masteron for at such a high bf%? You need to be under 10% to even notice it.
25mg of proviron a day? What do you plan on seeing from 25mg?
Personally I don’t believe for a minute that you need to run a cycle at your height and weight. But I’m sure you’re going to do it regardless. If that’s the case I would drop everything except the testosterone.
Why are you dropping the mast? It could be run the whole cycle. Take out the interph or your gonna get negged soon.
You think Masteron will be usefull at 14% bf?
It’s shines at 7-9 but anything under 15% it works. Atleast does for me. I saw results in about 2-3 weeks. You know though more than anything if diet isn’t on piont it won’t matter.
At what point is mast useful?
Sub 10%
PPG is right and I believe that's the point he was trying to make, that the mast will be a waste.
Would it be beneficial If I Used Mast during this cycle for the benefits of its high affinity for binding to SHBG, increasing free testosterone; and it anti-estrogenic properties; and if I did cut to below 10% bf.
RustyhookerNo it doesnt....
I would say save the mast for next cycle. Focus on playing with your nutrition this cycle along with the test. See what you can actually get out of your body nutrition wise and test only wise before moving forward. If you actually want to see noticeable changes to your body with the mast it's honestly best to be 10% or less. Sure you'll see something at 12% but if you get the sides with it, it will be a toss up between what you actually got out of it and what the sides are... do ya follow?
As PPG said above it's probably best to not run a cycle and work more on your base and research a little further on AAS. However if you do decide to run a cycel then I would do a low dose of test only.
Mast will technically do something at 14% but not much. For his second cycle he doesn’t need all this.
You're correct it will do something, probably make him run to the bathroom 3-4 times more a night lmao!
Yes 2nd cycle it's perfectly ok to just do test only again. Damn when I was younger I was stoked to get 1 or 2 bottles of test and that would be my entire cycle all summer lol. Kids think more of everything is better. :/
theres a lot to be said for running test by itself along with a good diet. However I feel like everyone gets caught up with every other compound and just think it's a good idea to add it to the cycle after reading a short subnopsis on a sources web page.
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