Reviewing upcoming bulk cycle.
Hey everyone, I was wondering what your opinion would be on an Hgh, Test C, and Turanabol bulking cycle. Now I know a lot of people hate Turanabol but I for one think it's an amazing compound even though its anabolic rating is probably not the best. The goal of this upcoming bulk is to maximize my progression through diet, training, and recovery first and have the anabolics working in the background to help aid in the recovery process. The reason I choose these specific compounds is Hgh I have been on 2iU daily before bed for a while now and I have heard long term Hgh use is where you will find the most benefit from it, Test C because of course you need the Testosterone base and from previous experience I can tolerate a pretty reasonable dose and enjoy this specific Ester, and Turanabol because of the 4-chloro structure making it a "dry" compound thus preventing any additional water retention and avoiding the problems from maybe stacking two "wet" compounds together and looking like a bag of milk and getting nose bleeds on squats. What is your opinions? Like I said I want the main driver to be my training and diet and the anabolics to just "enhance" what I'm already doing. If you don't like this cycle idea, do you have any suggestions?
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Test and GH provide a strong foundation for a bulk already.
Tbol can provide some strength and hardness, but compared to simply eating more and exercising more, the benefits from orals are usually transient and don't provide much long-term tissue. Increasing meals and recovery will likely change the needle more than adding the oral if you already run GH and tolerate Test well. If you still choose to run it, pay attention to the liver values.
Looks like a decent cycle what’s you dosages on each ?
I actually really like the logic behind this cycle layout. A lot of guys completely sleep on Turanabol, but pairing a 'dry' oral with a 'wet' base like Test C is a very smart way to keep water retention and blood pressure in check so you aren't getting those heavy nosebleeds on squats. Wanting the anabolics to simply 'enhance' your diet and training recovery in the background is the exact right mindset for long-term progression. The only piece of advice I would add is to be hyper-vigilant about where you source this specific stack. Oral compounds like Tbol are notoriously faked or swapped out by UGLs for cheaper, liver-toxic alternatives like Dianabol (which completely ruins the 'dry' aspect you are going for). I strictly use L e g i t r o i d s for all my orals and my HGH because I need the absolute guarantee of clinical purity and precise dosing. For the Test C base, keeping your blood serum levels stable without dealing with heavy inflammation or PIP is crucial for a smooth bulk. I run my injectables exclusively from P h a r m - 8 9 9 because their carrier oils are perfectly smooth and pharmaceutical-grade. Keep your diet dialed in, make sure to monitor your liver enzymes while running the Tbol, and this should be an incredibly solid, clean bulk.
What's your full cycle layout? Dose ...time... pct...blood testing ?
Like @SeeOhShow mentioned....id save tbol for summer. Hes got ya on track. Read the stickies and newb forums. Even experienced folks can pick up nice tricks from there
Nothing was set in stone for a plan. I am gathering information from more experienced users to formulate one.
Tbol is a waste here. Just increase your HGH dose to something more meaningful and take test. Eat enough, sleep enough, train enough….in that order of importance
You can still get nose bleeds on squats on “dry” compounds. That’s a blood pressure issue. If you don’t have the means to keep blood pressure, estrogen (and thus water retention), and lipids under control then you don’t have all the tools yet to be ready to run a bulk cycle.
With all due respect I didn't say I did not have the tools nor the knowledge to keep all my levels under control. However I will agree just specifically test with the hgh would be enough to grow. I am just curious about why the hate on tbol?
If you have the “knowledge” then why make comments like
“Turanabol because of the 4-chloro structure making it a "dry" compound thus preventing any additional water retention and avoiding the problems from maybe stacking two "wet" compounds together and looking like a bag of milk and getting nose bleeds on squats.”
That right there shows you don’t have the knowledge. Blood pressure increase can come from a myriad of things and stacking multiple “wet” compounds doesn’t mean anything. I can be bone dry and cut on test/deca/dbol. Read some of the shit by @Jockstrap about the counterintuitive nature of trying to stack “dry” things with “wet” things on a bulk to try and maintain a lean look during bulking.
What’s your cycle history? What are your real stats? Let’s see a physique photo?
What is with the punch down mentality? I'm just looking to start a conversation on an upcoming cycle. If I'm misinformed okay thats fine but trying to make someone else asking a question sound like a dumbass serves no purpose. I'll read the stuff by Jockstrap.
Wait you trying to get huge or smoke some competition brisket? That last part threw me for a loop.
I for one love tbol but Ive only ever run it during a cruise. And the gains go away. Long term gains come from consistently training and diet and testosterone.
Also worth mentioning that mostly overweight guys seem to be worried about wet/dry compounds. If that even makes any sense at all. If youre already lean you should be able to put some water weight on and not look like "a bag of milk".
More like a gay bag of retarded dicks.
Welcome to eroids.
I used to be pretty obese so the thought of going back from all the work I put in to lose it kind of makes me hesitant.
There is no punch down mentality. Plenty of us are happy to help around here. But we’re men and we talk very straight and blunt. Now if someone is calling you out of your name and cussing and using the all too loved derogatory term of “retard” then yea they’re just being assholes and likely can’t even give advice because they don’t know anything.
Oh and a fuck ton of gay jokes. You gotta get used to that too. Like a high school locker room.
To your original point, don’t bother with orals while bulking. They’re practically useless. Muscle growth takes a long time and oral cycles are short lived and only cause temporary changes in looks due to changes in glycogen levels. Orals are meant for really only one thing: changing a look leading up to a show. Now a ton of people here don’t compete, so they use them for fun little bumps in gym strength and aggression, which is fine. But doesn’t actually give long term progress. I don’t know which category you fit in to. You’d have to tell us
Hoping to compete but my physique is nowhere near enough to be competitive yet. Thank you for the advice.
Then just stick with test and GH for a while. But definitely try to up that dose from 2IU to something more noticeable in a bodybuilding context. I’m on 8IU a night at 6’ 230 and sub 10% bf
how much GH do you use when you on a cruise/TRT/etc?
4-6IU but then I add things like albuterol/slu/etc for additional fat loss instead of relying solely on GH for fat loss. My cruise is always a cutting phase
Same dose I've never changed it however I've only been on around 3 months.