+ 1 Question about first Cycle
This is my first cycle and I have all the compounds except for the last two weeks of test E. I have enough test E for 10 weeks, but I would like to continue the cycle for 12 weeks. Instead of getting test E for the last two weeks, I was thinking about getting test Prop for the two weeks to help define my gains more. For my cycle, I want to add mass, but want it to be more lean mass.
My Cycle:
1 - 10 weeks: Test E. 500mgs/week (two injections 250mg each, one Monday and one Thursday)
11-12: Either Test E. (same dosage) or Test Prop.
On Cycle Therapy:
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD (to prevent water retention and gyno)
PCT: (four weeks, started two weeks after last test E shot)
Nolva: 50/50/25/25
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
I also have anavar. Could taking 50mgs anavar the last four weeks of cycle with test prop. option help define my gains? I know it is advisable to just use test E 12 weeks first cycle, but I was wondering what anyone's thoughts were when using test prop. and anavar to help define gains first cycle. I want to gain muscle mass, but would like for it to be as lean as possible. Any advise would be great, thanks!
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AnonYou need to factor in bottles not being 100% full, and the loses you get from the pins. You might want to have an extra bottle of each so you don't run out and have to mix brands.
Just a suggestion, being your first cycle are you ok with eod pins?
AnonNot digging some of the stuff here bro...
Being 23 its arguable enough that you do steroids in the first place.. I don't think its necessary to start with any more than a simple Test compound.. and no, that doesn't mean adding prop and a mild oral on top... whats your second cycle gonna be? deca/teste/prop/dbol? --thats not the direction I want to push..
As for the aromasin, it seems this went unanswered.. I don't see your BF% but, if you're under 12%ish, the protocol would be Aromasin at 12.5 E3D..any more is complete overkill.
Thanks for coming in here with a general understanding of what a first cycle shoud look like, thumbs up from me!
thx for the positive feedback...u wouldn't happen to know that test E, since it takes four weeks to kick in (long ester), does that mean that possible negative side effects, particularly excess DHT and aggravation of male pattern baldness would not occur for four weeks? I was wondering because I have Finasteride right now, but I am going to get a topical solution (on my to do list lol), so I was wondering if I had to worry about it immediately after the start of my cycle or a little way in around 4 weeks
AnonCut the var for this cycle and save it for the next.. 1 compound at a time, especially since you're still so young.. you have plenty of time.
not great advice here. finasteride comes with side effects! it increases estrogen causing a higher risk of gyno whilst on test. plus it can seriously fuck with your sex drive. The best protocol is to use as little as possible to stop DHT. studys report that this can be as low as 0.1mg per day!!!! so 1/2.5mg is overkill (I think they sell 5 mg pills too) . With even a test only cycle, you're still setting yourself up to get gyno with thinking about using the FInna..
To actually answer your question, the build up will take place at the pace that the test "sets in." The androgenic affect will be in full force by week 3-5.
thx for the advice I didn't realize that finasteride increases estrogen and gyno would be kinda horrible on my first cycle lol
Anonmost people don't
understanding how all the compounds work together and affect one and other is an important part of AAS
JtizzleI like the prop taper at the end plan , runs you right into pct..
save the anavar for another cycle where you will be cutting bf% really low and you will get more bang for your buck with that compound
sgtstedankoI'd rather see at the start, w/var while waiting for Pct to start. But we still don't know how old dude is. I'm thinking 23 by 87 in his screen name. He could wait, if so. Imho...
sgtstedankoHow old are you?
Yea, your close I'm 24. So what do you think about test prop. at end, var, or what you would recommend?
sgtstedankoDo you see yourself cycling often after this one; or is more a every once in a while thing? How long have you been working out (dedicated) not since you 1st saw a weight? I'd honesty recommend researching more. If I were you, & I wasn't going to cycle/s too much after this one. Personally, I would run test p at the start, waiting for long ester to kick in. Then I'd run var @ 80mg per day 4-5 weeks, right up until you start Pct...
thanks for the advice, so with the var there is no time in-between before I should start PCT? for example, with test E there is a two week gap between cycle and PCT...also I was wondering with the test E. I know it takes about four weeks for it to kick in (longer ester), so does that mean that side effects like excessive levels of DHT in the scalp (hair loss) wont occur if no prevention (like topical solution) is not used during the first four weeks or so?
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