Primo e, Test e, HGH cycle. Please critique.
Stats
Age - 29
Height - 5'-10"
BF - unknown, but on the low side.
Weight - 185lbs
Weights and cardio (running 2.5-5mi/day) six days/wk. Diet is excellent, but I'll need to eat much more on this cycle. Former serious marathoner/ultra runner. I was 128lbs when I started lifting. Yeah, you read that right - 128lbs (ultra runners get skinny). Been lifting steadily for the past 5 years. Have done (3) Test C & Deca cycles.
Goal
Run mild cycle with low sides. Keep post cycle crash as light as possible. After PCT, I'd like to have approximately 10lbs of keepable quality gains.
Proposed Cycle
Weeks 1-14 - Primo E 600/week
Weeks 1-14 - Test E 250/week
Weeks 16-20 - PCT
- Clomid - 100/100/50/50
- Nolva - 40/40/20/20
- HCG - Deliberately excluded. It has been suggested that I not use HCG. I would like your opinions on this.
HGH - Before, during, and after this cycle I'll be running 2iu-4iu/day of HGH (Hygetropin & Serostim)
I will keep Arimidex on-hand. I will also keep Cialis handy, since I am not single.
Much thanks to my new friends raiderrott and rustyhooker for their guidance. I was thinking about running an idiotic primo/anavar cycle before they provided their input. Many good bros on this forum.
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I am on week 9 of 800mg primo/350mg test.
I am not sure how 600mg would work out for you as most recommend more....but I can say that at 800mg and at week nine primo has become my steroid of choice. IMO...bump the primo up to 800.
That's exciting to hear.
What exactly do you like about primo so much?
I was thinking about increasing the primo to 700mg/wk, because that's how much I've got coming in my pack. Also, I was thinking about taking the test-e up to 750mg/wk from 500.
Primo 700mg/wk & Test E 750mg/wk - what do you think?
I prefer the slow steady leaner gains to the wet bulking gains from compounds like deca and such.
In MY opinion keep the test low and primo high....that has been my protocol and it has worked great.
Regarding upping the test dosage, what are your goals? I'd keep the primo at 700+mg and keep my test dose low so the primo could work its magic
You're right. Yeah, I'm after lean mass and low sides. I'll keep the test at 500mg/wk.
Its not enough Primo to get good results from it.The test is good at low dose with primo but up that primo.
With just test n primo I don't think you will have problems with an erection. you will probably have problems keeping it soft actually lol
LOL! That's fuckin' good to know!
I'm assuming this is your first cycle, primo is expensive and not needed on first cycle. Even with the hgh idk if necessary. Seems like a lot for a first cycle
Nah, I've done a few Test-C and Deca cycles.
I selected primo e because I wanted a long ester, low sides, a mild but effective AAS, and I'd like to stay on the lean side while on-cycle.
If this is your "first" cycle then lets set you up right so you not only have the experience of the cycle but experience in planning and prepping for a cycle.
Have you been off cycle long?
I would do bloods now before you start a cycle. Then I would plan on a 14 week test only cycle of 600 per week. The norm is 500 but you have already done cyp so lets try you out a little above average. The layout would look something like this:
Week 1 Blood test
Week 6 Blood test
Week 13 Blood test
1-4 Test Prop 100 eod
1-12 Test E or Test C 600/week
12-14 Test Prop 100 eod
1-14 Adex or Aro (this is a broad suggestion as we all react differently to AI's and test)
3 days after last shot of prop start PCT.
Depending on your PCT another blood test midway through and then 2-4 weeks after PCT.
Thank you very much. I will carefully consider this.
What were your experiences like with deca? Im running it my next cycle
They were terrible. I did it wrong, very wrong, so I don't have much of any use to share. I consider this next cycle to be the first one I'll run right.
Didn't run enough test? Lol tell me what you did wrong so I know what Not to do
It was a long time ago, and I was young and stupid as fuck. I reckon that ran too much test and too much deca for way too long without any kind of PCT. This was back when tapering doses was popular. I can't remember specifics, because it was almost a decade ago. My balls shrank to nothing, I had awful erectile dysfunction, got depressed, and lost much of my gains. This experience is why I'm so hung up on getting this cycle exactly right, especially the PCT.
Lol sounds like my first cycle. How long were you depressed
Probably a few months, and it took just as long for my balls to start to re-emerge. I was under the direction of an older bro that ended up being a buffoon. He eventually wrecked his own body, and listening to him almost wrecked mine at a young age.
Damn dude thats horrible
What was the reason for not running HCG?
1) This cycle is so mild that Nolva & Clomid would be sufficient.
2) That the use of HCG would keep natural test levels from rebounding. In other words, it would prolong the post-cycle crash.
It has been suggested, however, that I keep HCG on-hand just in case. Problem is, I've never used HCG before, and I don't believe that I'm experienced enough with AAS to know what sides should prompt me to decide start using HCG.
HCG does not supress natural production. It is used in pct to kick start the boys into normal function. It is also used during cycle to minimize atrophy. You do have a very mild cycle there. But I do not understand what you are keeping HCG on hand for? In fact it is a common practice for Endo docs to prescribe an HCG regiment to help elevate the bodies natural testosterone state. You can read this information in the Journal for Endocrinology and Metabolism. You just have to do a little homework.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/
RustyhookerI told him to not use hcg unless he's got shrinkage problem. Hcg converts to estro and after all the work on his last forum he's not going for any wet bloat. Primo was selected by him specifically for his particular goals. Hcg is good on a long or hard cycle, very correct. But not on a primo run. If you add compounds that ruin your finish then definitly don't use primo. Test, eq, or mast can do the same for 1/3rd the price.
I agree...That's why I wondered why he was keeping on hand anyway. HCG does convert in high doses over very long time periods. But I advocate using it immediately in PCT for 16 days to reverse the atrophy. It is very effective for me.
Would you share how you run it post cycle (dosage/injection schedule)? Thanks in advance.