posted Thu, 05/23/2013 - 11:25
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Anavar/Primo Cutting Stack
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I plan on running this cycle that I got from the book Anabolics;
7 weeks
Anavar - 20mg/day
Primobolan Depot - 200mg/wk
1) What kind of ancillary drugs should I use with this cycle? I tend to be especially susceptible to post-cycle crash.
2) When should I begin the post-cycle ancillaries? I ask this because I understand that Anavar oral is short acting, and Primo is very long acting.
3) When should I be taking the oral Anavar? I’ve never taken oral steroids before. With/without food? Pre-workout? Multiple times per day?
4) It shouldn’t really matter when I pin Primo, right? I’ve never done Primo before.
5) What kind of sides should I expect from these particular drugs?
I appreciate you guys sharing your experience with cycles like this.
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if your going to waste your money bro just donate it to Obama
Thank you, my friend.
Lots of good bros on this forum.
RustyhookerBumped +1 because you're researching. Gotta appreciate that!
First of all you need to list some stats (age, hgt, BF%, weight) and your cycle experience. I am assuming since you want to run this cycle that you have NO cycle experience.
This would be a dumb cycle. Don't do it.
Need to put those stats up before you'll get any help putting a cycle together.
Alright.
Age - 29
Height - 5'-10"
BF - unknown, but on the low side.
Weight - 185lbs
Work out 6 days a week. Been lifting steadily for the past 5 years. Have done (3) Test C & Deca cycles.
I am interested in this cycle because I read it in a book that seems to be reputable, and a cycle with low sides interests me. Part of my researching this cycle is asking people like you, who have the experience, to critique it, so please do. I'm all ears.
RustyhookerThat cycle is too short and at those doses are more for ladies levels. Primo needs a 14week run at 600/wk. Var can be added at 50-75 but youll also need a low test base. Primo alone to do it correctly is roughly $500. Its very popular if your in conditioned lean shape.
There's other options as well depending on your overall goals. If you can afford primo though there's many fans fir it.
Thank you.
I am in conditioned, lean shape, and I do have the funds.
I'm trying to avoid sides, and that's why I'm avoiding test & going for low doses.
I'm running Serostim now, and my aim is to gain 5-10 lbs of quality, lean mass that I can keep. I'm also trying to avoid sides and post cycle crash. What cycle would you do to attain these goals?
Could you tell me what the reason is for the test?
RustyhookerFrom you listed prior cycle use above I'd guess you didnt run your cycle properly. All drugs have sides. Learning both the drugs and how to avoid sides is key.
Testosterone...because your male. It is yoyr base always. Manipulating test can have a big effect on the end results of your cycle. But going with no test isn't wise if you wish at all to even have a boner.
All cycles shut you down regardless of some fancy add on a label or someones claim at a site. You shove hormones into your body and your body strives for balance. So it then shuts off your natural hormones.
Im not sure you can gain 10lbs on primo. A normsl steroid cycle yields 10-15lbs depending on the individual. The gains you make however should be well kept if your diet remains on point. Most likely is a body recomposition. Meaning you harden up and add some mass while losing bf....as long as diet dictates the cycle.
Blood test prior to cycle give you your base level of natty hormones. Anither test at week 6 helps you adjust incase your estrogen levels are elevated.
Good post hooker
RustyhookerThank you sir!
Dude, thanks so much.
So you're telling me that even while I'm putting primo/var in me, if I don't run test, I'm going to have some impotency issues?
RustyhookerYessir. To let primo do it's job test runs low dose. Enough to keep you physicall happy while primo runs high to give you the effects your striving for. Thats manipulation. Letting the main drug do its job.
I'll be back in a while. I want you to look at the ai/pct section of forums. Read and learn so you dont have post cycle crash. Come back and post here what you learned. I dont want to spoonfeed you your cycle. I believe the end user should know everything they're using and why.
Alright, I read up on some things like you advised me to. Here's what I've got;
1) The general consensus is that I should increase my dose of primobolan depot to minimum 400mg/wk, and pin twice a week. This is still considered a lighter dose, but should yield good results. The 200mg/wk dose that I was talking about was just enough to suppress my normal test production.
2) It is heavily advised that I increase the duration of my cycle with a long-acting ester like primobolan. It is suggested that I increase the cycle to a minimum 12 weeks, but in an effort to lighten my post-cycle crash, do you think I could run for 10 weeks only?
3) The anavar/primo stack doesn't seem to be favored, especially since primo is better stacked with a testosterone, which will yield more gains, as well as fending off the erectile dysfunction that would result from an androgen-light primo cycle. I'm gonna be really honest with you, Rustyhooker, I'm scared of testosterone. I had a bad experience ten years ago where my balls disappeared for a good while. I'm scared of test's sides and the crash. In lieu of test, how do you think a milder drug like equipoise would work? Would it fend off erectile dysfunction like test would?
4) PCT. I will need HCG to jumpstart my natural hormone production. HCG should be started two weeks after my last pin of test & primo, since these drugs are absorbed so slowly. With the introduction of a stronger androgen like test or equipoise to this cycle, I will need an aromatase inhibitor, Arimidex being considered the best of these drugs. Aromatase inhibitors should be taken every day while on-cycle, and for a approximately six-weeks post-cycle.
5) Clomid. Everywhere I read, people are taking an aromatase inhibitor PLUS clomid. Could you explain this to me? I'm confused because it seems like Nolvadex or Arimidex would handle the job alone. Also, I'm getting conflicting information as to whether Clomid should be taken post-cycle only, or should be taken on-cycle AND post-cycle. I especially do not understand the addition of Clomid to a cycle since it seems that the sides are awful.
It doesn't seem to matter much, but I'm running HGH right now and for the next 5 months.
I've got some more research to do regarding the dosing, schedule, and duration of PCT ancillaries.
What I'm really trying to find is a mild cycle, with keepable gains, and low sides. Primobolan depot seems to be the go-to drug for this, but it's making things a little complicated for me, since it's such a weak androgen.
Please tell me what you think. You've got me interested.
RustyhookerHow much was that scarey test run in doses and time? Did you use and ai on cycle? Curious because either you ran really high doses and/or no ai. Some guys do react more than others.
Ten Weeks....you're gonna shut down regardless. Sterouds are a lught switch. So, if your going to use it at least get the bang you're asking for.
Test is your base or be happy with poor sex. If you're single its your call but your gonna be shut down regardless.
Aro in pct.....it blocks bodies estro.. Not jyst nipple blocker. And raises igf.. Primo cycle shouldn't have too much conversion so the basic clomid/nolva should be fine.
Tell me what cause your bad experience.
That scary test run was so long ago that I don't remember, but I'm sure I was running way too much of both deca and test-c. It was a decade ago, so I was like 20, and under the direction of an older guy that ended up being a dumbass. No AI, no PCT. It was awful. Tons of bloat. Depression after cycle. Terrible erectile dysfunction at the age of 20. My balls fucking disappeared for at least a few months. I lost all my gains. It made me extremely apprehensive to do AAS ever again, but things have changed a lot since then.
Ok, fuck ten weeks then. I'll go for your suggestion of 14 wks.
Ok, I'll go with test. Test-e makes sense with primo, right? They're both depots.
Let me make sure I understand. No aro when on-cycle, meaning take it post-cycle only?
I read that I should take nolva 45 days post-cycle and clomid daily for 30days post-cycle. Would you suggest this?
Do you think HCG would be beneficial here, or should I skip it?
RustyhookerAhhhh! Now it makes sense. Deca if not run properly can be rugged. Several guys on here went to trt after a wrong run.
1-14 primo e 600/week split as necessary
1-14 test e 250 split 125/125
16-20 is pct
Clomid 100...100...50..50
Nolva 40...40...20..20
Thise are the daily doses per week for 4Weeks
Hcg....most likely you won't need hcg with cycle being so mild but keepin it on hand is good. It last a long time in cool dark place. Will need bac water as well.
Ai....adex is more mild for this simple cycle. Again, you'll probably not need it BUT week 6 get blood test to check estro levels. Privatemdlabs.com the female hormone panel for $59. If you do have some estro a simple .25every 3rd day should be plenty. Basically a mon/thurs split.
Option B is short Esters. Problem is every other day pins for 8 Weeks with no skips. So small 25 x 1 pins for quads, delts, intermedius.
1-8 prop 75eod
1-8 primo ace 150 eod
Clomid/nolva as above. Bloods at wk 4. Adex if needed.
Typically i suggest long Esters for new guys because simplicity. But we've all learned one way or the other. If you're lean and solid then shorts. If you need to drop bf then longs gives time for food reworking.
Sgtstedanko and others are great with diets. Sgt also loves primo. Pick his brain.
You are the man! Thank you for explaining so much and pushing me to do more research. This thread taught me lots.
Nah, I'm gonna go with long esters, because I'm already pinning HGH twice a day almost every day.
I will pick his brain. I've read that your diet needs to be on-point when trying to gain from primo.
Thanks again, bro.
RustyhookerSmart thinking and more forgiving over any mistakes to go long. Keep us updated and hope you have a blast!