Planning second cycle
Hello, I am planning a second cycle and would like a final opinion or two on whether I have my shit together and if I should change anything. I have been on TRT for a year and a half and am just finishing up my first cycle which is Test and an AI. I had labs done at 6 weeks and all was fine.
IMO a second cycle can either be a higher dose test or add in a compound. I have chosen to add DECA. I will follow the time on = time off rule before I start. My cycle will be as follows:
350-500 mg Test Cyp a week for 12 weeks
200-300 mg Deca a week for 12 weeks
Split into two injections weekly.
.25 mg Anastrozole daily- this worked well on current cycle.
.1 mg up to .5 mg Prami daily- if needed
Fish oil twice dally
My questions are:
At this dose of DECA, is Prami usually needed? (this may be a redundant question, I know everyone is different)
If I need the Prami, do I run that along with the Anastrozole?
Thanks in advance!
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wow you need time to rest man , your liver will cry , you just finished your cycle recently ,, im resting almost 4 months and need one more month , then i will start again with liver support , and deca not a good option for a second cycle, and about TRT , the TRT will not cure prolactin or estrogen , just keep your test as supposed to be , what recommended for second cycle , add dbol or anadrol , but keep your liver rest a bit , we are human and usually when we reach 40 our life change going the other way around , watch your self and read more
Thanks for responding. My stats are as follows:
40 yrs old
201 lbs today
I started my cycle 12 weeks ago at 176 lbs and 14% BF (A little higher currently at the end of a bulk)
My last injection was Thurs
Yes my first cycle was Test only. In my research and experience, I have not heard of anyone doing Proviron for second cycle. Proviron is for cutting and I don't think I need to cut yet, especially with winter coming up. My diet was good. I gaind 23-25 lbs in 12 weeks.
Most of what I have read for second cycles are a higher dose Test or Test/Deca or Test/Deca/Dbol. I know it's controversial to add a second compound the second time around but it is common. Most pre-packaged second cycles are those also. Of course, I'm not saying you're wrong. I am here for your advices. Can you elaborate on why you would take that course of action? I'm a very reasonable man.
My main questions are:
At this dose of DECA, is Prami usually needed? (this may be a redundant question, I know everyone is different)
If I need the Prami, do I run that along with the Anastrozole?
Thanks Again!
I'm just going to go ahead and answer your questions and not touch the rest of it.
Everyone is different, but no at that dose of deca you most likely will not need prami if you keep your estrogen in check, but keep some kind of DA on hand in case problems arise. I would prefer you use caber since I've seen too many guys complain about severe nausea using prami. If you do need it yes you run it alongside your AI as they work through different pathways. AI controls estrogen, DA controls prolactin
Thanks! Finally an answer to my questions! I have heard that also about Prami and will definitely consider Caber. Usual dosage for Caber is .25 to .5 mg's a week?
There are SOOO many second cycle examples. It's hard to know which is gonna be right for me. I HAVE read and read and researched many websites. The cycle I chose is a very common according to what I have read.
Thank you
Ease into caber slowly...
I think you need to do a bit more reading, it's nothing of the sort.
I copied this for you from steroid.com:
"In many ways, Proviron is a very unique anabolic steroid. It shares some strong similarities to Masteron (Drostanolone) and to a degree Anavar (Oxandrolone) and Winstrol (Stanozolol) but in totality it is its own unique animal. In a performance capacity, Proviron is not used to promote large buildups in mass, although it can serve an important purpose during such a phase of training. We will, however, find Proviron to be far more common in cutting cycles, but once again its purpose will be somewhat unique."
I copied this from steroidology.com:
"Proviron is an oral DHT steroid compound similar to Masteron. Although it is not an ideal compound for building muscle (actually it is not good at all for this purpose), Proviron is helpful in stacks because of its unique ability to keep the body from turning testosterone into estrogen, thus giving the testosterone a better anabolic effect. This aids the bodybuilder in many ways. First, it helps reduce estrogenic side effects of other steroids water-retention, lowered sex drive, gynocomastia, etc. Also, Proviron can help boost the potency of testosterone in the body by freeing testosterone from its binding to sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG).
Proviron is therefore best stacked with testosterone, which makes taking anti-estrogen compounds unnecessary. However, Proviron can cause high blood pressure so blood pressure medication may be required for those prone to hypertension"
This is what I found. I could include many other quotes if you need. It seems Proviron is NOT a mass builder but is used for its anti-estrogenic properties. From what I gather, it simply makes testosterone more efficient possibly aiding in a bulk cycle.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to trying a Test/Prov cycle. I am looking to bulk over the winter and it seems to me one of the best and most simple bulk cycles is Test/Deca. It's used as a second cycle quite often when one wants to add a second compound (from what I read).
I appreciate your point of views. Please elaborate on WHY a Test/Prov cycle is better at this time versus a Test/Deca. Here is a link to a thread where people are using Test/Deca for first and second cycles.
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performanc...
I respect everyones advice. I want to make the MOST INFORMED decision I can.
Thanks
To be honest whoever wrote the comment on steroid.com has explained it very poorly and clearly has little or no experience of it. Read up on what the drug was designed for etc. In non scientific terms the best way I can simplify it for you is to consider it a periphery that kind and of amplifies the test. You're on a website here full of information including providing which will give you some help.
I don't need any more quotes from 25 year olds regurgitating second hand information they don't understand about what proviron does, I'm a biochemist......
Best advice I can give you is invest some time reading beginner cycles here on eroids. This site has s less maverick approach to steroid use than others, which considering you're my age would be a sensible approach to take.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning your knowledge or experience. I am here to learn everything I can. There are many many second cycle examples. I'm not saying your way is right or wrong. This is the internet so I gather as much info as I can and make the best choice I can. If I had a trusted and experienced friend I would go that route.
There are many examples of people using the cycle I am copying. I have one friend who ran this cycle three times. each time at a higher dosage. I can't say whether or not it was the smartest or best way to start out but he made good progress and had good luck with it. However, he went into it without a lot of research so he is not necessarily my "go to guy" for good info. That's why I talk to you all.
As a Biochemist can you explain to me WHY Proviron is a better choice? I'm also a pretty smart MF. If you have a better idea just shoot it straight. When I go research on my own the Test/Deca cycle seems like gold.
Thanks
If you read back through I haven't commented on your cycle, only giving you information to make your own educated choices. It's an interesting question though, define "better"? you're comparing apples and oranges here With your "why is it better" question.
Personally I'd never recommend Deca or any 19nor compound so early in your AAS use. 1) if things get ugly you don't have the experience to correct and 2) recovery can be tough from deca. To be honest at this stage you should be able to gain well purely on just test. If not, your diet / training aren't up to scratch.
I brought it up anyway!! And, provi is a better choice for a second cycle, which is really what u should do. The quicker u can experience what provi has to offer, the quicker u will understand and get outta the box, bro!! U have one cycle under ur belt. U will never know what provi will do cuz u dont know how to use. But, somewhere in the near future u will want that test to be unboud from shbg, and experience everything else it has to offer.
X2..thx
Post BF%. So, first cycle was only Test? Hold the deca and either do another test cycle with proviron, or try test prop kicker. If this is bulker then work on your diet.
Ur third cycle could be test/deca/dbol with provi. That would give u enough time to cut your bulk, titrating ur macros being AAS free in spring 2016, then hit your test/deca/dbol/provi in the fall.
Since you're inevitably gonna get asked by someone else I'll go ahead and tell you to throw up your stats. I also doubt anyone else here will want you to run deca on your second cycle so I'll tell you that now too... In the meantime feel free to pm me with any questions
I forgot to mention this is a bulking cycle.