Planning My Next Cycle (#3)
Hey all, I'm planning my next cycle. It's going to be a few months yet before I go back on, but I want to get some ideas. I would like to do a Test E and Mast cycle next just for dry strength gains as I go into competition season as a LW strongman (this is important to note, because very low bf% isn't really conducive to the sport...also, I will cut water weight for competition), i.e. I don't want to put on a lot of mass. I have read that Mast is a great compound for this. I don't care about vascularity, muscle hardness, etc.
34 yr
6'1"
245 lb
14% bf
1st Cycle
1-12 Test E 600mg/wk
1-4 Dbol 35mg ED
2-12 Aromasin 25mg EOD
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Tamox 40/40/20/20
2nd Cycle
1-4 Test P 100 E3D
1-14 Test E 500/wk
1-18 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Tamox 40/40/20/20
I ended up breaking out really bad on my shoulders and back of my arms during 1st PCT, assuming and estro rebound(?), so that's why I ran the Aromasin out longer this last one and it seemed to work.
I'm not 100% of what doses I should be looking at with Test E and Mast. I've read some people running like 500 test and 300 mast (I'm guessing these were props) and others doing the opposite, more or less, and some people saying you should run mast out to 16 weeks, which I'm not opposed to. Also, would a prop kick be advisable with this? I really liked pinning practically everyday at the beginning of my 2nd cycle, so that's not a problem. Here's a starting point:
Cycle 3
1-4 Test P 100mg EOD (optional)
1-16 Test E 500mg/WK
1-16 Mast 400mg/WK
1-20 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Tamox 40/40/20/20
So that's where I'm at right now, completely open to criticism, suggestions, etc. Maybe that's too long, dose isn't good, maybe you don't think I should do it, I'm all eyes and ears. This isn't happening like I said for a few months, so I have plenty of time to prep for it.
Thanks!
EDIT:
Here is an example of what I think I'd like to try:
"Test 1-8 650-700
Mast e 1-8 400
Test 8-16 350
Mast e 8-16 700
Var 8-16 75mg a day.
A twelve week run on 300mg mast e is about as effective as running primo for 8 weeks at 200mg. Just completely losing the positive effects of it. The increase in mast later in the cycle will not only harden up a lot, but will provide a lot of strength gains with the var combo. This is a solid cycle here. I'd personally do it no other way. Shit, honestly this is a nice simple cycle that I myself would even run as a more mild cycle. Like I said, the longevity of the cycle is what will make it more effective along with the diet. Could also swap out the var for tbol if not looking for that var crispness and a bit more strength gain." - Originally Posted by Juice 2
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/testmasteronvar-c....
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If I have read your post correctly this cycle is all about strength gains. If that is the case forget the masteron and go with var at 75mg/d. But at your size you may go up to 100mg/d but remember var cramps you up so plenty of water and bananas. Var will put your strength threw the roof.
I added an edit to my OP. Juice 2 stated in another thread that mast and var would work well together for strength gains. What do you think of that?
Yep, just about strength gains.
Anonbro this is the best advice i can give and you ask any other vet and they will say the same..... unless you are 10% bf.... hold off runnin mast.... right now diet and training is key get bf down then run mast and see great results
otherwise you will waste the money and the masteron by running it right now.... mast is meant to do what it does at a low bf percentage.... thats it
Just scrolled down and saw you gave the same adivice already. Damn beat me to the punch twice in one night.LOL
If I read his post right this cycle is all about strength for a strong man competition. If that is the case I recommended var for that..
I'm not ever planning on getting down to 10% bf as it's pointless in my sport (strongman), even though I will compete as a LW, but still, 10% isn't a realistic goal as it would serve no clear purpose. I realize that for a Bodybuilder, Mast is great for hardening and such, but I'm looking more at it for dry strength gains. I should have put that in my OP, but was in a hurry. Would you recommend Mast after that bit of information? If not, any alternative ideas?
AnonIn this case i would say anavar gives great strength gains alot of power lifters use it....i have used it...my strength skyrocket...and you can run mast with it
Are you suggesting a test/mast/anavar cycle? Thanks!
scootertrampHey buddy. Competing at Light Weight? You're 245. Mast is amazing stuff. What clasd and what's the goal on this cycle? Harden/cut?
so which retread are you?
LW in my sport is 231. I would cut water weight. No hardening or cutting, just strength.
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scootertrampToo bad you're now offline. You lost out on many corrections to the proposed cycle. Good luck to you sir!
I frequently walk away from my computer and leave things logged in. I'm always on the go. Thanks anyway.
scootertrampI'm back. Had to eat. Masteron e is good for strength gains and its dry. That's why i need to know your end goals. Come in closer to 10% or adding strength at the same weight. Manipulating the testosterone can help with both. Testosterone is great for strength but of course can add the water weight....again water is good for strength. But if you're needing to make a weight class then the water drop is important. Bodybuilding is different to a degree since mass is important however, a powerlifter still needs his/her strength. So if you can fill me in on your requirements, I'll be glad to add my thoughts.
I don't need to make a weight class per se, but In strongman LW is 231, so I would have to cut water weight leading up to the day of, which I've done several times before. I like to stay around 240-245 as I'm strongest at that weight. I don't want to get too heavy, because anything over 250, and that's pushing it, is too much water weight to cut. So my goal here would be to add strength while maintaining the same body weight, give or take a few pounds. I made OK gains on my last test only cycle, but honestly didn't feel like it was enough.
Thanks for your help btw! All input is greatly appreciated!
scootertrampWill your timeframe allow for short ester 8 week cycle?
1-6 prop 150eod
6-8 prop75eod. Lowered for water drop
1-8 mast prop 150
2-8 anavar 50-75 daily split morn/night
Just have to watch for cramping. If you start cramping at higher level try adding multi-mineral vitamin.
No, not really. I'd prefer to be on cycle for most of my competitions, since it's not a drug tested sport, so the short cycle would mean I'd be off or in PCT for most competitions. I will probably do at least one a month while on cycle, so at least a 12 week cycle, but I'm also willing to go out to 16 weeks.
scootertrampThank you for filling in the blank spots. Sorry I've been slow on replies. A 600/600 test e and mast e cycle is a great start and yes you're correct that lowering the test e to half will greatly assist with the water drop. The anavar will be a big strength boost. And yes you can go 16Weeks. Enanthates last just long enough that you start pct week 18. So, you can taper with prop 100 eod. Masteron gave me nice strength gains and the gains were dry/solid. So staying close to weight class is easier. You already know from your events that too much water loss by force to meet weight, also can cause weakness. So your prep is very important. I did great at 600 especially when the anavar kicked.
No problem on time bro. I've got lots of it! I've never had complications with cutting water weight. We get to weigh in the day before competition, so I can dehydrate to make weight, then be rehydrated by competition the next day. What do you think of the cycle I added to my OP? It's not mine. I borrowed it from another thread and it was advice given by Juice 2, a member here.
Test 1-8 650-700
Mast e 1-8 400
Test 8-16 350
Mast e 8-16 700
Var 8-16 75mg a day.
I'd probably tweak the doses a little, i.e. 600 test e to start and then maybe 600 mast to finish?
scootertrampJuice 2 can be an arrogant putz but his know how on masteron is high. It's one of his favorites. Masteron is underrated and very versatile. I've enjoyed several cycles with it. That's great that you can rehydrate! I used to be a wrestler and coming in dehydrated had its tolls. The cycle he posted will work. Just feel your way through it as its only your third cycle. When the masteron kicks in i usually get a bit snappy til my body is used to it. Nothing big but can get irritated. Have fun with it!
That's how I was on Dbol my first cycle; a bit snappy. Thanks for your input bro. It is greatly appreciated. I will definitely go into this one with care, as I did with my first two.
scootertrampYou will do fine. Your asking lots of questions and researching. Hope you win!
I like to know what I'm getting into
Also, I was winning when I was natty. Juice just propelled me to the next level 