4th Cycle Planning
Hey bros,
I'm doing some very early preliminary planning for my next cycle. I just finished my last cycle PCT a few weeks ago, so I have quite a bit of time off, but like to start laying the foundations early and getting feedback and such well in advance.
This will be my 4th cycle per the title. You can check my cycle history in my profile stats, but just for the ease of everyone's interest, I'll post them at the end.
I'm not a bodybuilder, so body fat has not been of great concern to me up until this last cycle. I'm a LW strongman, but during this last cycle I was up to 255 and could not for the life of me make weigh this year. I changed my diet several times before just giving up after cutting carbs out completely for about 6 weeks and gaining weight! In hindsight, I think some of that was due to too high of Test dosage and subsequently high estro, causing excess water retention. .
Well I'm off cycle now, and trimming up FINALLY. My plan is to get down to 12% minimum BF, and focus solely on dry gains henceforth to stay within my weight class and hopefully be able to cut water more effectively if needed.
I'm a little torn between another long ester cycle or just doing short esters this next cycle. I feel if I start doing short esters, it'll be better on my body, and I can possibly do one more cycle per year. Right now I'm only doing roughly one per year. I'm also interested in EQ; not quite sure how to add it in with Bold Ace to the short cycle.
So here are 2 potential cycles, short then long.
1st Potential Cycle
1-6 Tbol 50mg ED
1-10 Test P 150 EOD
1-10 Bold Ace 150 EOD
2-14 Aromasin 6.25mg ED
11-14 PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Would anyone recommend HCG on a short cycle like above? I REALLY liked using it on my last cycle, and my recovery has been phenomenal.
2nd Potential Cycle
1-6 Tbol 50mg ED
1-14 test e 600/wk
1-14 eq 600/wk
15-17 test prop 150 EOD
2-21 Aromasin 6.25mg ED
5-17 HCG 500ui/wk
18-21 PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
My goals are lean dry mass gains, reduced body fat, and a primary focus on strength overall.
Here is a list of my stats for reference.
Age: 34
Weight: 235
BF % ~14% (that's a guess, haven't been measured, but intend to get to at least to 12% before starting next cycle)
Cycle History:
1st Cycle
1-4 Dbol 37.5mg ED
1-12 Test E 600mg/wk
2-12 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
15-18 PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
2nd Cycle (best cycle)
1-4 Test P 100mg EOD
1-14 Test E 500mg/wk
2-16 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
17-20 PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
3rd Cycle
1-4 Test P 125mg EOD
1-16 Test E 700mg/wk
17-18 Test P 100mg EOD
13-18 Var 100mg ED
2-22 Aromasin 6.25mg ED
5-18 HCG 500ui ED
19-22 PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/2
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I like the second cycle. The eq I'd front load at 1200mgs per week for the first 2 weeks. Then 600mgs for 12. I don't understand why you're switching to test prop at week 12. I would run this cycle for 16 weeks. The eq for 14. The test e for 14 weeks and the prop at 100mgs for week 15&16.
Hi NewChaapter, thanks for the response. The Test P should have read 15-17 - 3 week taper to account for the very long ester of the EQ. I'll correct it. I obviously made some typographical errors as well on the Test E. Thanks for pointing that out. I like the front loading idea with the EQ. A 16 week cycle is roughly what I was looking at there. Thanks!
Yes. The test prop makes more sense, less time, less injections, and not a waste of testosterone. I like that frontload dose too, and length of time, which is not so long. 20 weeks seems like eternity.
The eq is very mild so to receive the maximum potential from it it should be ran at least at 500mgs per week. I'm running 600mgs/600mgs eq/test per week right now.
What about this?
1-6 Tbol 50mg ED
1-20 test e 400/wk
1-16 eq 300/wk
15-20 test prop 100 EOD
2-PCT Aromasin 6.25mg ED
16-21 HCG 500ui/wk
22-25 PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 6.25/6.25/3.125/3.125
*Run Liver support.
I like the 2nd potential cycle. Wouldn't you frontload EQ and run it longer, which would then increase the Test length?
Which cycle do you feel more comfortable running?
Yeah, just not really sure. I'm comfortable with either one. I love being on so the longer is more appealing really, but I've never done a short ester cycle and am curious if I'd like it better.
Okay, I will start.
Wow, not even some trash talk lol?
Your whole cycle is TRASH. How's that for "trash talk". Just kidding. I agree with your second cycle and what's been said above. Good luck.
+1 !!! Good stuff bro, lol.