posted Wed, 11/02/2011 - 23:20
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My first DBOL and test enanthate cycle
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I'm brand new to steroid usage and this forum and I am very unsure as to what I am about to do so I came here for advice.
23 male , 110kg , +- 28% body fat
I am planning on using the Danabol blue harts at 30mg per day 3 times daily (10mgx3) for 6weeks and starting 300mg test enanthate per week at the same time.
I notice that Dbol has very short half life and I am scared shitless of getting gyno :(
Do I need to take nolva or clomid during the cycle to prevent gyno or will it be fine to start a week after last injection of test E.
Also have any of you heard about PGW Precision Gear Works that makes my test?
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Thanks for the link mate. Unfortunately my personal trainer did not incorporate this exercise in my routine. Btw went for reasseement of body fat this weekend and Im at 20% now after almost 4months of training natural
yea ima stay clear of test e untill bf is at about 15% and all sign of lipomastia is gone. That is if it will ever dissapear. Otherwise no test for me watsoever. Big muscles won't make bitch tits look attractive i rate.
In conclusion of this thread i would like to thank everyone who commented for their input. Really did not think i would get so many responses in a day
As for the roid advice I rate I'll hold off on that cycle until my body reaches peak and gains start stagnating.
For now I am considireng the ephidrine or maybe some anavar. I havent really done much research on the latter. Although me and my mate stumbled upon a great thread about (censored) website. Needless to say it saved him a good couple of Dollars.
Yea bitch tits is the last thing i need as i am already accumulating fatty tisue in that area from being overweight. Great advice on the Anastrozole. Thanx
AnonProblem is you already have bitch tits at that bf. You might not have gyno but you have lipomastia for sure. Now give that lipomastia a tinny ammount of dbol and you got gyno in less than a week. Everyone has suggested to either change compounds or not run the cycle at all. Beeing stubborn and young will guarantee you bitch tits. Adex is a very bad choice for you. Mind you if the gyno spreads on the fat you have at the momment you will never get rid of it no matter what bf you go down too. Take something that doesnt aromatise or take nothing at all.
Yeah i thought my current level of bitch tits would increase risk of serious gyno which I would hate. As for my current level of lipomastia is there any way of getting rid of it except for reducing bodyfat? As for staying away from aromatising substence would you rather recommend something like anadrol, anavar or maybe some primobolon for me if in future I decide I have to use something on top of test e cycle.
AnonThe only way to get rid of it is with diet and loads of crossovers. I was at your bf when younger, hit the clen with dieting and a good routine and you will get rid of the fat. Even after you get rid of it you should still be carefull about the compounds you choose. Forget anadrol and dbol you should look at primo, anavar, eq, tbol, deca everything that does not aromatize. Believe it or not it is much easier to loose the fat than build lean muscle. So do that first and you will be ready for juice.
sounds good to me. What do you mean by crossovers?
You say you trained you entire life and never heard of crossovers?..hmmmm
Well dude whats wrong with asking if it's the same exercise as what I thought it was which it is not. I am very familiar with this exercise though but I was thinking of the roman chair crossover if you know what that is???
If i could id -1 for you as I think ur comment is extremely cheesy
To be honest...I don't know.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE!!!...lol
Well, I'm going to play the devils advocate here and assume that you're going to take some form of AAS anyway, even though my eroids brothers are advising otherwise here.
So I'll give you the "SUGAR COATED" version here:
*At LEAST take a few months and go on an all-out fat blitz--get your BF down!!
*RESEARCH....REASEARCH....RESEARCH....
*NO D-BOL for you...NONE!
*If you absolutely MUST use AAS (and yes, I know you just "have" to), I'll give you my pick: Find a source here on eroids that carries Lixus Rip Blend....1 ml...twice per week....HEAVY cardio twice per day, although the Tren A in the Rip may limit your wind a little. I'm not going into PCT and diet..training, etc...That's YOUR job to learn about.
tread-mWhen you're on Tren the Devil plays Goths Advocate!
Thanks man Ima check out the Rip blend as soon as I get back from gym.
I think you guys are mistaking me for a newb. Which I truly am when it comes to steroids etc but not with exercise. I have been training basically my entire life as a profsional athlete competing on national level in sports such as Shotput discuss 100m hurdles 400m sprint rugby and kickboxing. I have good knowledge of diets and workout regimes but the problem started when I graduated and started working this year. I started training bout 4months ago after being out of the gym and sports for almost 8 months. The fact that I am developing all this body fat was pissing me off but hey sitting in a office all day what can I expect. Now I go to gym and feel shit because I can't push nearly what I use to. I just want a boost in strength and energy really. Will ephedrine (suggested by j0n) result in strength gains?
Well I guess I'll take no roids over festive season then and try get more lean which I'll achieve by running my ass off and then start the following cycle when I havee achieved 15% bf :
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
Optional: Weeks 1-4: 30mg of Dbol per day (split in two doses, one pre workout, one 12 hours later)
Weeks 1-12: .5mg of Anastrozole Every other Day (EOD)
Weeks 4-12: 500iu's of HCG per week (2 injections of 250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
PCT starts week 12, two weeks after last test shot
Week 1&2: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
Week 3&4: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
What would be a cheaper alternative for Anastrozole?
Btw I appreciate the advice so far. I am very pleased that I have signed up on eroids
hey bud how is your progress going with PGW ??? i have heard good things and info would be appreciated
We're just trying to be responsible brother : )
NOW thats a good looking first cycle!
But (IMO) I'd tweak a little bit "in the name of science" (LOL)
Cycling is more than compounds, it's also getting to know ur body. everybody responds differently to different compounds, so simple is BEST to start off with. that way "if" sides do arise "we" know how to treat them.
So (again IMO) I would consider just keeping the adex "on hand" and pay attention to ur body and take advantage of the learning curve to gage ur level of being "gyno-prone" (if at all!)
I would also hold off on the hcg. I (personally) am a fan of hcg on cycle but AGAIN, this being ur first cycle I would lean into the least amount of compounds to simplify and learn about "your" body.
Cheaper alternative for Anastrozole? AI's are not something u want to cheap out on bro, especially if ur going to need them (TRUST ME ON THIS)
Orals? (OPTIONAL)but if ur going to go that route I'd suggest tbol (yeah, its a bit pricier, but worth it
thats my .02
@EVERYONE! Agreed!
yeah bro, ur getting good advice here...slow and steady wins THIS race. I would consider taking some time to do some research and in the mean time dial in ur diet and training (which is the important stuff anyway) you've got time to make some serious strides natty, take advantage of it.
...and stay away from whoever is "presently" giving u cycle advice. 6 wks on dbol w/ 300mg of test e? really??
you need to work on lowering you bf atleast to around15% before considering any AAS, DBOL will bloat you up... and you blood pressure will be high to do to ur bf.. work on your diet for a while cardio in the am if you can and weighlifing in the afternoon.. cut lots of carb up ur protein and you wll see that bf melt away
Thanks for speedy comment appreciate the help. I must say I could have exaggorated bout my body fat was just guessing on that one. Im about 195cm 110kg and wear size 36cm pants.
Anyways I rate I am going to stay away from the enanthate then. Another source recommende I use DBOL but only take 30mg evry morning and take weekends off.
The logic is that the Dbols half life is so short that your body will still need to produce natural test eespecialy during bed time when it is most active. Apparently the lower dose and allowing my body to recover from Dbol over weekends could offset aromitization greatly and still give me the gain in strength I am aiming for. This extends it to a 10 week cycle. "using Dbol as a supplement" Sounds like bullshit to me.
I actually just want to gain strength and a bit of size whilst burning max fat. Any cyce suggestions?
BTW you are right I have no knowledge about AI's. Gona be reading up in my lunch now.
I have to agree with previous posters bro. Why don't you try ordering some Ephedrine , and skip AAS until you're significantly more lean? I've had buddies see awesome success on a 6 month supply with a good workout regime and clean diet... at this point you will see more results from the tredmill than from d bol
AnonWhat CAhard said, dbol will only bring you trouble with that bodyfat. You are going to be an aromataze/estrogen factory. Also you got tonnes of time to do roids after you are 25. Best research for a couple of years cause at the momment with the cycle you got planned you are bound to hurt yourself. If you do decide to do a cycle swap the dbol for tbol at least and take AI from day one.