Mid Cycle Injury
Hello everyone! I’m 37, male, 5’ 10” and I’m in the gym every day taking full advantage of the cycle I’m currently on. The cycle is 500mg Testosterone C, 400mg Deca, 250mg Mast, and I’ll be adding 50mg var for the last 8 weeks of my 16 week cycle. I’m also taking 250iu HCG 3x per week.
I’m on week 5 of the cycle and things were going great till a few days ago when I was doing skull crushers and my shoulder felt funny. Next day there was noticeable pain. Both my doc and I believe it’s a tendinopathy.
This leaves me with a few routes and several choices to make. I could end the cycle and stop going to the gym for a while. I don’t like this option. I could continue the cycle and take a break from the gym for a couple weeks. I also do not like this option. I could keep all my heavy lifts to my legs only and do hypertrophy training for my upper body with lighter weights in the 12-15 rep range and just avoid anything super heavy that involves my shoulder. I like this option the best.
It occurs to me that I can potentially add tb500, bpc157, or HGH to my cycle to potentially facilitate recovery of my connective tissues. I really like what I’ve read about HGH but I’ve never actually used it. TB500 and bpc157 seem like they do best when ran together but HGH has so many other benefits beyond helping connective tissue heal that I’m really leaning towards adding HGH.
Would adding HGH to my current cycle (listed above) interfere with any of those compounds? I plan on starting with 2iu and maybe bumping up to 3iu if I feel like I need it.
I also realize that HGH is better to run for the long term so I would continue to use it on both cruises and blasts.
What would you do in this situation? Do you have any advice that might help clear up some of these questions? Thanks in advance!
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When I have had tendonitis in my shoulders I've found that various things can work and help, but nothing beats healing better than not using or stressing them. Rest them up. Trying to keep training is just going to make something that is already sore and over trained - even more over trained! If you must do anything at all, then do your usual warm up weights and numbers but DO NOT do any working sets or weights. Enough to flush the area with blood, and get some EAA's in straight away while blood is still circulating in there where the amino acids will go straight to the area. Collagen peptides are also useful here.
Also during this time try and stay away from A.I's as they are terrible for joints and connective tissues, killing off your oestrogen levels is extremely detrimental to healing tendons as its the oestrogen that increases collagen production which is what the tendons are made up of. This is why things like DBol help the joints so much.
I hear Mast helps control estrogen and I’ve been running that on this cycle. Would Mast be a bad thing right now?
Definitely mate - it dry's my shoulders out to hell when I have tried it so I don't run it anymore.
How does dbol help your shoulders?
Listen to your body. Once something is done you can’t undo it. Nothing worse than having your plans crushed by a major setback. Take it from me, I’ve been rehabbing a destroyed shoulder from a non training injury (atv accident) I suffered 10 days into my last cycle (November 11), now I’m looking at a full year to 100% recovery.
Oof. That sucks. I hope you have a swift and complete recovery!
Legs and abs and cardio for a week. See how it goes. Warm up before lifting...not stretching. Stretching loosens joints. Warm up as per parillo et al. Saved my shoulders doing it that way. Stretch after. Hot pad spa sauna for blood flow
Searched through everything Google scholarly has on Parillo et al and also normal Google. There’s no warmup protocol. You sure it was Parillo and not Padilla or something? Link?
Nothing quite compares to an after-workout sauna session!
I’ve never heard of Parillo et al but I googled him and he’s got tons of information online. Do you have a link to the warmup protocol he recommends?
Thanks for the input!
Short answer is don't risk injury. It's a marathon not a sprint.
Tendinopathy is on overuse injury so stop using it..
Train your legs and take a couple de-load weeks for anything that can aggravate your shoulder.
Bpc and tb will certainty help speed the healing. Hgh takes a long time so skip it.
You can certainly reduce your dosages. Could be you increased in weight too fast for your tendons to keep up.
No need to tax your system if you're not able to fully train.
If you're doing this recreationally don't push it.
If you're getting paid to train that's a different story.
Making this worse is my greatest fear. My doc recommended physical therapy exercises for my shoulder and I’ve done physical therapy for my other shoulder so I already know what they’re going to want me to do. Instead of paying them I’m just going to do what they had me do last time haha.
Definitely going to have as many leg days as possible and baby the shoulder. I should have done a deload week like 2 weeks ago lol. I had a feeling I was pushing it too hard but it felt so good I didn’t want to. Live and learn I guess.
Since I seem to have a propensity for shoulder issues I might add HGH for the long run in the hopes of increased recovery preventing future injury even tho it will likely do nothing for my current issues.
When you say tendinopathy is an overuse issue, does that mean that the weight isn’t the issue, it’s the amount of reps/sets?
Hi! Tendon and cartilage tissues are very inert. I think there are hopes for the successful application of the HGH is self-deception, and nothing will come of this deal. You won't make a profit here.
You already have product in your cycle that really works in this situation. It's a Deca. But you don't seem to be paying attention to it.
Train your legs for a few weeks or longer and rest your shoulders.
For these few weeks, I would exclude Masteron from the cycle. And I would increase the dosage of Deca to 600 mg per week, not forgetting Diclofenac.
I was led to believe that Deca only masked joint pain by lubricating joints so I wasn’t really relying on it to actually heal anything. I could see the increased water retention in the joints from Deca allowing nutrients and such to get to where they need to go so something like tb500 and/or bpc157 and/or HGH could find their way to where they need to go easier but I’ll consider increasing the Deca.
I’m likely still going to add HGH in the hopes that the potential for increased recovery might help prevent tendinopathy in the future even tho its potential to facilitate recovery of my current tendinopathy will likely be minuscule.
Never heard of Diclofenac but I just googled it. Seems to be an NSAID which might help with pain so thanks for the suggestion!
Definately think it’s gonna be as many leg days as possible and just shoulder rehab therapy exercises for at least a few weeks haha --
Thanks for the input!
WRONG - Deca and NPP both increase collagen production and regeneration in the tendons, progesterone is a natural pain reliever which is why womens joints become sore and stiff during the menopause.
On the flip side, this is also why they are both bad for the Heart as they also increase collagen deposits within the muscle - meaning it becomes stiffer and less elastic, so it becomes less able to pump blood around the body which in high doses long term can lead to heart failure. Pick your poison bro!!
So Deca and NPP do have a regenerative property but running them at high doses for long term is a no-no. Sweet! Thanks for the info, press!
On a side note, I have heard mixing Tren and Deca is not the best idea as they are both 19nor and running them together can cause an increased probability of side effects. I’ve also heard that Deca stays in your system for 6 months after last pin.
Does this mean that I can’t run Tren for a full 6 months after last pin of Deca without an increased probability of sides?
Oh my God, my eyes are bleeding. Your theories about Deca look terrible.
I didn’t actually make the claim/theory that Deca only lubricates joints and may help with collagen synthesis but doesn’t actually have any healing properties, it’s a notion that has been reiterated among numerous posts on the site and I was not the author of those posts.
I simply stated that’s what I was led to believe due to the prevalence of that conclusion on this site, among other sites as well.
Sorry about your eyes.