posted Thu, 01/12/2012 - 13:21
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Mid 40's getting back in the game...
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used steroids in the late 80's. since then have gotten old and fat and enough is enough. had a friend recommend this cycle as a beginning point.
8 week cycle
weeks 1-8 40 mcg of clenbuterol daily
1-8 25 mg proviron a day
1-2 50 mg dianabol a day
3-5 100 mg dianabol a day
6-8 50 mg dianabol a day
all orals, i realize this is novice stuff for most of you guys but ya gotta start somewhere
would appreciate any input, thanks.
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Get in the game and inject or simply don't.
Make a decision if steroids are for you right now mate. Doesn't matter if it's not for you.
Oral only cycles are a road to not much, with a fucked body.
This is a serious business. Get serious or (with all due respect) just diet and exercise.
Good luck to you fella.
jesus its 2012 and people are still ramping up and down dosages.
you can run a oral cycle, it wont be as good as just sucking it up and injecting test but it can be done with decent results.
how about this bigbraynboy:
wk 1-8 60mg Tbol
wk 1-8 50mg proviron
pct starts next day after your last pill:
tamoxifen 20mg wk 1-4
clomid 50mg wk 1-4
that something similar to what you are thinking about, was my first 'cycle' although i didnt take proviron (although i consider my test p/winstrol cycle a few years back my first real cycle)
AnonThis is GOD AWFUL advice.
why? its not a GREAT cycle thats for sure, he would see much better gains on the standard test e @500mg cycle. but allot of guys are reluctant to pin... and if he's one of them this could be an option for him. alot of people these days take dbol/tbol for their first cycle... and back in the day dbol cycles where all the rage. alot of people see good results on superdrol cycles ect.
AnonHave you ever seen bloodwork after an oral only cycle? he would be setting himself up for failure.. on top of that, he said he was "fat" so I'm sure he's getting back in the game to lean up.. so a high BF% would pose multiple risks-esepcially when running an oral.. or even superdrol. he would be destroying his body, plain and simple.. its not my opinion.. its my medical knowledge.
i agree they can be harsh but if the cycle is not too long the body should recover. i kick start cycles with orals as i am sure others do and i am in good health - allot better health than friends who drink and smoke. i didn't read all the comments below and i did not realize that he was overweight. and i agree that this needs to be tackled first, especially if he is contemplating a oral cycle.
AnonI would say kickstarting is fine because you have that source of test and what not.. but an oral only is a receipt for disaster
Great input, thanks guys. i'll keep you posted.
@massive what is a TRT clinic? and test gel??
@Joose thanks for the cycle, never heard of taurine b4 but can see how that would help as well
thanks guys. may have to do a rethink on the oral only thing.
Testosterone Replacement Therapy Clinic. There are some gels and patches that contain testosterone which can be absorbed through the skin.
AnonYou can get Taurine at any supplement store. Clen depletes the taurine level in your body which is why its necessary.
He might mean an HRT clinic. If they do bloodwork and you truly have something wrong with you..then they might give you something
Try a visit to a TRT clinic. If you truly fear needles there are many 40+ men in my gym using the prescription test gel. Obviously injectables would be far superior but in your circumstance it's a start to a better sense of well being. I highly advise against an oral only cycle; your wife's not gonna be too happy when your 40+ year old liver fails and lands you in the hospital.
Anonthe Androgel patches have a bad absorption rate for what its worth.. they deal with guys who have low endogenous test levels.
AnonWell, I can tell you haven't used in a long time.. I'm sure your friend is old school as well.
First off, I would drop the Dbol all together unless you just want to be more bloated. I assume your goal is to lean up judging by the clen?
For the clen, I would recommend 40/80 for week 1-2. and no higher than 120 once you access how it affects you. Monitor BP while on it.
Clen must be run 2 weeks ON, 2 weeks OFF. Your beta receptors will be depleted and become used to the clen making it less effective.
So, while running clen, you need to buy yourself some taurine as a support.
Run clen 2 weeks with dosage I posted above, then 2 weeks off. During your 2 weeks off-you need to get your hands on some Ketotifen or even just Benadryll. It will help clean your receptors. after this, you can resume another 2 weeks "ON"
I Think you would need to focus heavily on a solid diet since you're starting back into the gain.. that will be the sole benefactor in your case..
I would say fuck dbol.. run clen with Test-E at 500mg per week split into 2 shots @ 250mg each for weeks 1-12
Take 2 weeks off, Then start PCT protocol. Meanwhile, while on this.. do your 2 week splits of clen and focus hardcore on your diet!!!
no. you take ketotifen every day, and clen every day and that's it. Ketotifen eliminates the need to do the 2 week on/2 week off protocol.
also, with the very long half life of enanthate, there really is no need to split the injections like that. One weekly pin is fine, especially considering this guy is scared of needles.
AnonFact is... go run clen nonstop for past 2 weeks without any rest.. and tell me your blood pressure reading/pulse.. setting yourself up for disaster.
Oh so now you're concerned with blood pressure...got it. I just read the part where you repeatedly told the guy that he HAD to run it 2 on, 2 off because of the receptors...and the clen being less effective after 2 weeks. The real "fact is" that you told him he MUST run clen that way, which is simply not true.
I've run clen for months without a break and my bp is fine. It's called low dose aspirin and hawthorne extract..
AnonJust looking out for his well being.. I went and had work down 5 days after my last 2 week clen split and the doctor was ready to punch me in the face..
And I'm quite familiar with different ways to lower BP, just as how they effect the body.
My knowledge comes from several pieces of paper framed on the wall not "bro science"
just looking out for my fellow guy whose been out of the game for a while... you don't need to come on here and try to contradict everything people say. Go away troll
I'm not a troll at all. I am simply correcting the bad information you are giving people on here. So again, clen does NOT need to be run 2 on/2 off. You simply take 1mg of Ketotifen every night, and you can run clen continuously, for as long as you want. You told the guy that clen stops working after 2 weeks, so he HAD to take 2 weeks off, which is not true. Maybe you should go back to school and study harder this time.
wtf is with this place anyway? you cant disagree with anyone about anything without it turning into a name calling war. Open your minds people.
lol. well i did start by saying my experience is 20 plus outta date. didnt want a needle, the wife would surely be pissed. any oral i can sub in for the test-e?
AnonWell, I would advise against any oral hormonal in fluxing agent boss. You might get gains, but with no Test injection, you'll lose all of them-meanwhile, fucking up your endocrine system. Im sure the wifey would be more upset about that!!
Get Clen: Run it,
Week1-40mcg+daily taurine
Week2-80mcg+daily taurine.
Week3-Benadryll or Ketotifin
week4-Benadryll or Ketotifin
Week5-80mcg +daily Taurine
Week6-120mcg +daily Taurine
follow 2 week protocol after.
Get a strict diet with this, and you'll be burning fat, and tightening those muscles up.. I think this should be your starting point in my opinion as it will benefit you the most.. more so than any oral.
so youre telling him not to run clen on weeks 3 and 4? why?
he should take 1 mg of ketotifen every day, and clen everyday...for as long as he wants. Theres no need to do 2 weeks on.off, etc..
he could also do a low dose of dbol ed, like 10-20 mgs, just for a little boost while getting back in the gym.