Looking to start new cycle, thoughts?
Hey fellas this will be my 5th cycle. 32 years old 5'8" 225lbs been training for 10years. Have taken about a year off gear. First cycle was test 600mg/week for 12 weeks 50mg dbol first 4 weeks, pct was nolva clomid 40/40/20/20 100/100/50/50. Second was the same, third added deca at 500/week and used anadrol instead of dbol and used some caber and did that again for 4th cycle.
While I gained a lot of size and strength from those cycles I would like to recomp/ try putting on size and strength without bloat/water and make them more quality gains this time. I'm thinking try sustanon at 900/week, eq at 600/week, Tbol at 50mg/day first and last 4 weeks, proviron at 50mg/day whole cycle and pct, run for 16-18 weeks, pct clomid proviron 50/50/50/50 for both. Thoughts?
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Good info from Shiva below on keeping it simple and possible issues with high hematocrit and hemaglobin with your layout.
You haven't cycled for a year and at 225lb and 10%BF you are primed to add muscle now and quite frankly you don't need a complex stack to do this and have to worry about al sorts of sides and how to manage them. EQ is an undeconoate ester so it will take 6 weeks to get going and needs to be run for a minimum of 16 weeks. Sust is a great compound when used properly and that means ED or at the most EOD pinning to keep test and therefore estro levels stable. You can see how this gets complicated quick never mind the Tbol as another new compound. So given all that why not try this:
Weeks 1 - 12
Sust 750mg EW ED/EOD pinning but only if you have enough sites to rotate or use test e/c and start PCT week 15 (see below)
Anadrol 50mg ED pulsed two weeks on two weeks of throughout the cycle
Proviron 50mg ED right up to PCT
AI on hand and used if blood tests week 5 show its needed or if you know you will need it - by now with th cycling you've done you should have a good handle on how you aromatise.
Weeks 16 - 19
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin if you were using an AI
Never use Proviron in PCT
Get your nutrition right and enough of the right food plus solid training and this cycle will add quality mass I assure you.
Edit: there is no such thing as a recomp. It doesn't exists and it doesn't work. You either bulk or cut. Embrace the fact when you bulk you will put on some fat and water. You want this to allow you to build strenghr and keep your joints safe. Cutting it off after is the easy part.
Good work dacky
Great reply man thanks. I suppose you're right. I really like the idea of pulsing orals. Since I've already done a good amount of deca do you see a problem with tossing in NPP?
Yes as I don't believe it's needed. It's further unnecessary complexity. It's a 19Nor so you will need to worry about prolactin control and dosing your DA and deal with a hard shut down. Oh and make sure you run TUDCA at 500mg ED for the duration of you pulse the drol.
I think running tbol for 4 week twice over a cycle is a bad idea, especially if you value your liver. usually tbol doesn't kick in for me until week 3, so consider it as a kicker for 5 or 6 weeks. also, as other people will remind you, only add one new compound per cycle. depending on how your biomarkers react to tbol (not to mention high dosing test) your hematocrit as well as other marker may rise, then add in eq and your running the high risk of turning your blood into mud. many people really like proviron but my opinion, based on research, I would not include it in your pct for sure.
it sounds like you've cycled quite a bit. don't forget keep things simple, you will probably yield better results and keep more of your gains. the cycle you're setting up is quite a high amount of drugs, in my opinion, even though you have quite a bit of experience. health comes first, not worth the trade to cause serious problems.
NotNatural23One of the best cycles I got gains and didnt bloat was Test Prop, Npp, winny, and always use proviron 50 mgs on cycle. Off the top of my head i think i put on i gained round 10lbs and while losing bodyfat. I know not very exotic or to extreme but was happy with this one and i think my test was no more then 650mgs a week Npp 400mgs and winny 50mgs. Again these are off the top of my head aince it was a couple years ago but if you need exactz i can look in my logs and let yoh know. Also if you still respond well to test at 600mgs or so I wouldnt jump to 900mgs but that is just me. Also have caber on hand if you are snesitive to prolactin issues.
Good luck