Looking for 2nd cycle suggestions
I'm 36, 5'10", 250 lbs. I just finished my first cycle and I'm looking for suggestions for my 2nd. I won't begin it for four months but I want to make sure I have the right gear and ancillaries. My 1st cycle was such:
Base of 500 mg/wk test cyp - 6 months
Supplemented with Deca 400 mg/wk -4 months
Kick start with Dbol 30 mg/day - 6 wks
Tried to end with Tbol for 6 weeks but had to stop after 2 weeks due to health problems.
I have sleep apnea and the tbol seemed to agitate it to the point that I couldn't sleep. So I'm off now and back to my trt dose and I'm contemplating my next cycle. Based off of yalls many decades of experience, what should I be aiming for on my 2nd cycle? I went for mass on the first cycle and I was happy with the results. I wouldn't mind going for mass again ok the next one... or maybe a strength cycle with Anavar. Or should I cut the next cycle and get my bf% down? All suggestions would be appreciated since I'm a noob. And since I'm an older noob, I don't have 30 years to play around and learn the hard way. I'd rather take yalls suggestions and plan out my cycles from here on out. Y'all are such an valuable resource to us average joes who want to improve our appearance and athletic abilities through chemical enhancement.
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Post BF%. Can you post an unidentifiable pic? What's your true TRT dose? What type of bloodwork have you gotten so far? FR sent.
Follow up with your doc regarding an hCG protocol administration, plus additional ancillaries for TRT patients. See what he/she says and share your history with the doc, if possible.
No AAS for 12-18 months right now.
Follow up bloodwork ASAP.
I don't quite know my bf%. I posted 15% once but my buddy said no way... maybe 20%?
I'll try to post a pic if I can figure it out..
My real trt dose is 80 mg per week. I thought that was crazy low and I haven't had blood work in over 6 months b/c that's as long and the endo scheduled my appointments for. And the endo changed over since that time and I haven't met the new one. The last one didn't really go over my results. As well, I knew nothing about any trt or test or anything back then. Not that I know a whole lot more now but I know more than I did.
hCG protocol? Are they supposed to give me hCG even? They never went over any of that.
You say no AAS for a year to year and a half but all the forums say that time on = time off..?
My advice would be to take the next 6 months off, other than your TRT dose, and research your ass off. You have to give your body a break from a 6 month run, just your lipids alone should be enough to scare some sense into you.
6 months blasting test c....and youre first cycle. Glad you've come to your senses and did some research b4 starting a second cycle. Keep it simple, no tren, adrol, mast or the like. EQ would work to help lean you out more fatty;)
TiptoptimOMFG!!! This is your second cycle and your going in like that WHY?!?!? What's the point of all that.
It was my first cycle and I did that. Obviously I didn't know what I'm doing and don't want to make the same type of mistakes on cycles from here on out.
Holy shit are you serious?
This was your first cycle? This is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much bro. Where to begin....
Nandrolone can be really suppressive on ones HPTA, and running it for 16 weeks is asking for trouble your first cycle. The compound itself shouldn't even be ran for a first cycle. First cycle should be just straight test.
If you run multiple compounds you're new to, and run into problems, you may not be sure what's causing the problems and thus how to rectify it.
Did you have bloods taken pre-cycle?
Did you have bloods taken during you cycle?
You should really give your body lots of time to recover after this venture. Get bloods drawn! Find out where your natural test is at. Then forget about AAS for a while. Focus more on your diet and training, rather than the oils and tabs. Eating that chicken and broccoli is better for your body than eating dbol and tbol.
These are serious compounds with serious repercussions. As you stated yourself you are older, which means your body won't bounce back as easily as someone who is 27. More drugs doesn't equal better results. What will truly dictate how happy your are with your results will be your diet. Diet is key. A cycle shouldn't be started unless you got the eating thing down.
I understand my f up. What got me into the steroids was that I'm on trt and I was reading that a for a 1st cycle high dose test was best. So after a year on the doctors dose i upped it to 500 mg/wk and ran with it. And then I thought more was better and here we are. You say diet and training is key... please expound. What kind of diet. What kind of training? I already train pretty hard and I get at least 250 grams of protein per day.
What kind of diet would depend on what kind of results you want. Decide wether you want to cut or bulk and stick with one. The idea would be, before you begin your cycle to already know how your body will respond different, and what works best. What I mean by this is; over the course of many years of natural training, you'd run different diets with different macros during your cutting and bulking phases to find out what your body responds best to. With diet I mean everything that goes along with it like vitamins, liver protectants, food, water etc... You want to find the best combination of many factors, so that you know the best way for you to, say, lose fat and retain muscle (just an example if you were cutting). If this were a clean bulk then you would want to adjust accordingly.
Someone can take 2000mg/week of test, but if they don't eat, and don't work out then they will not be happy with their results long-term. They will gain weight, yes, but it'll be water which will be shed later.
Protein is important yes, but so is many other things. It's also important the form you receive this protein. I see people trying to have too many protein shakes in order to get their numbers higher.
What's your current BF%?
I think when I started it was around 29% and now it is about 16-18%..
Another reason you want to have your diet and training dialed down; is post-cycle it can be easier for you to gain that fat back if you weren't eating very well while on cycle, and continue to do so after finishing. Your body will be craving more energy most likely, because it will have been so depleted from long-term usage, and this is when it can be easier to eat unhealthy foods and gain weight back. You wanna throw up a picture?
You just need to slow down, listen to your doctor, and spend your time reading about calories, macros and timing.
I've read about those but I can't really understand it man... is there a resource that explains it in layman's terms?
I like this response. It confirms that you shouldn't be running anything but what your doctor is prescribing. This information isn't just housed in one document. You're learning something new and that shit takes time. Google caloric intake and macros. Include bodybuilding.com in your searches. Keep yourself off this site until you know what that stuff means and you have stuck to it. Then come back and we can discuss steroids.
I understand some things and I understand how steroids work to a degree. What I have trouble understanding is the macros. I know that what I've done worked in producing muscle and strength and I know enough to have anastrozole on hand for estrogen and to watch out for side effects. I shouldn't have used 4 different things on the first run... that was a stupid mistake. I don't think that now that I've experienced what steroids can do, I don't think I could hold off completely. I could refrain from the other ones but test is a major help. I'm taking off 6 months off to let my body recup.
You haven't seen a quarter of what steroids do because you're missing the other pieces to the puzzle. Bro, you don't even know what your body fat is. Diet is huge. Go join bodybuilding.com - I'm being serious. Go learn about diet.
Testrogen_PropC...That was one hell of a first cycle bro. I agree with gnarkill I think you should take some time off and start from the beginning the right way
GnarkillIf I were you I'd start all over again. Stay off for as long as you were on plus pct then click the search bar here for first cycles and start from there. That's my opinion
I guess I forgot to mention that I'm on trt.. I'll check out first cycles but I thought that Its always recommended to do a test only cycle first. That's how I started off and then kept adding stuff like an idiot thinking more is more.
I think how you are going to get the most out of this is to research what you think would be an appropriate cycle and post it. Not going to learn much if someone spoonfeeds you a cycle.
I've read that a test only first cycle is recommended. I started off that way and kept adding things like a moron. I was thinking for a second cycle i would do a 500 mg/wk plus dbol at 30 mg/day for 6 weeks. Like a short 12 week cycle.. Of course after a 6 month hiatus.. ☹
unreal89Running dbol for 6 weeks is pretty harsh your gonna need 500mg tudca a day and liv52 bur i wouldnt run past 4 honestly
unreal89Good fucking god maybe take more time off 6 months cycle wtf where yoy thinking?
I know.... well, I know now after the fact. I didn't know while I was on. I didn't research or get advice which is what I'm trying to do now. I have read that time off should equal time on so is that what I should shoot for? And since I'm seeing advice out of harm reduction and to better myself, how should I go about the second cycle when its time?
unreal89Time on+pct =time off thats rule of thumb 2nd cycle i would do a basic 500mg test a week split mond thursday IMO
I'm on trt so I don't really do the pct..
1st cycle lasted 6mths with 4 compounds........ WOW
dont know what you expect from us but it will not resemble that......... no ways.
Like I replied above, I didn't research or seek advice out for my first cycle. That's what I'm doing now. What should I be shooting for on the second cycle when its time? I like to take this time to gather the supplies and ancillaries and do the research that I didn't do on my first cycle..
Need to take the brand names out.
Thanks for the correction. I took it out.