posted Mon, 10/31/2016 - 16:32
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I just finished a 6 month run on Test cyp at 500 mg/wk and a couple other AASs (I understand this was stupid and have already been flamed significantly over it) and I had a question about AI's. I had anastrozole on hand in case of sides but nothing ever presented itself that caused me alarm. My question is this: On cycle, should I be taking some kind of AI the entire time or only if I see/feel side effects? Is it best practice to take a small dose regardless or only when you notice something or bloodwork says E is too high? I've never received a conclusive answer on this. Thanks!
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Here is a good procedure for you to follow
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-cycle-when...
People use Caber for Tren and Deca. Both are 19nor compounds. Your gonna end up with a nice set of boobs when your estrogen rebounds and then you'll be wishing you had done some blood work. Some folks just have to learn the hard way.
Well thats why I'm here asking these questions... I don't want a nice set of boobs. I don't even want an ugly set of boobs. No boobs is my preference. So in order to keep myself boob-free do I need to be on an AI even when on trt?
Testrogen_PropC...Holy shit bro. Lol
There is a normal range for estrogen in males. Bloodwork shows where your estrogen level is at. We cannot tell you if you need to be on an A.I. or not right now, UNTIL you show us your bloodwork!
That is how it works.
Ok. Get blood work. Got it.
Testrogen_PropC...Low estrogen is also bad. So if you're in normal range and took adex it could lower your estrogen too low, in which case you'd feel weak, tired, achey etc. So low estro= bad. High estro= bad. Estro in normal range = good. And everybody aromatizes at different rates depending on dose, genetics, body fat percentage etc. Have to get bloods done. Then that tells you what to do as far as the A.I.
Ok. Thank you. Can I post it here when I do?
Testrogen_PropC...Absolutely. I don't make the rules around here but I know I'd like to see it, and we could also tell you what to do with the adex if you did post it.
Therealdeal12I have one question what made you do a 6 month cycle??
I didn't do my research and didn't know any better. My ignorance has been enlightened.
unreal89Honestly you still have done zero research you want it spoon fed to you theres a search bar here and google.com has lots of info anything you ask has already been asked before and dont get me wrong were here to help but try to do some research of your own if your devoted to cycling research research..and agian research!
Testrogen_PropC...Lol they were pretty easy on you in that thread bro.
Anyways as the other guys said you need to get bloodwork done there's no if and's or but's about it. They're not just saying it to send you on a wild goose chase. High estro is extremely unhealthy and at 500mg a week for that long with no A.I., I can almost guarantee your estro was elevated.
If you're still taking test then get bloodwork done immediately and base your Adex dose off of that and that alone. When I'm on 500mg a week my sweet spot for adex is around .25 EOD or .125 ED. You could need more, less, or none tho. Which is why its based off blood work.
So it's all based off blood work and what's happening in your body then. But when I'm only on my trt dose I don't need an AI then?
Testrogen_PropC...Yeah it should be all based off blood work. And same goes for the TRT dose as well, even if you're on 150mg a week you still need to get blood work done to see where your E2 level is at. It is very common for guys on baseline TRT doses to need and get prescribed Adex from their doctors, but its also person to person dependent. Just depends where YOUR estrogen level is at.
you need BLOOD WORK to determine! it's like getting on to a car Forum and randomly asking, "does my car need brake fluid?" you have to run diagnostics and evaluate the situation.
these questions have already been answered numerous times before. BLOOD WORK should be your go-to first for any issues on Cycle and post cycle. nearly everyone needs to take an ai on Cycle whether there are direct or noticeable sign or not. test aromatizes into estrogen. excessively high levels of estrogen are actually toxic to the body and place unnecessary stress on your liver. the amount of ai needed varies from person to person and the only way to dial it in properly is BLOOD WORK.
everyone is ultimately here to help on another. I cant help but to point out your remark to "getting flamed" though . you're asking some questions that really open you up to catching some flack and many of these questions could be answered through you using the search option and reading through old threads and stickies.
Well, I wanted a better consensus because I've seen so many different responses to that question. So now that I'm off the high dose test, would my E levels remain high for a long time? Would I need to take an AI now even though I'm back to the trt dose?
unreal89Boom!! Very nice
unreal89Bloodwork should tell you and you were not flammed.. Should also have pramipexole or cabergoline for 19-nors .. Get fenale hormone panel tested im very gtno prone and get flare ups easy so with 500mg test im looking at .25 adex ed or i get itchy nips fast
So you take something different when you take orals than when you are on straight test? I thought caber was for tren only.. shows what I know.
unreal89Any 19 nor which is nandrolones deca npp tren bloodwork is key though but i remember you ran deca also?
Agreed, no flaming took place. That was some of the nicest interactions I've seen.
Probably because I don't pretend to know much about this stuff when I obviously don't. And when I ask for advice I don't spur everyone's answers and do what I want to do anyway; I listen to those who know more than I do and apply their knowledge towards myself. I messed up on my first cycle but that's why I searched this site out and created an account and posted it so I could get advice and help from others because I don't know anyone in person that deals with this stuff. I'm always willing to accept wisdom from others.
Testrogen_PropC...That's definitely a good thing. Just winging shit with hormones can really fuck you up permanently. Its not like a street drug where you stop using and a couple weeks later you're fine.
Using exogenous hormones can make your natural hormone levels never come back. Or can make a person non gyno prone all of a sudden gyno prone for life, because they abused hormones and didn't take measures to counteract. Its just something to not fuck around with.
You made the right call coming here and gettin' some edjumaction. You should've 6 months ago but better now than never.