+ 1 Just want reassurance my first cycle is ok
I've read a lot and I haven't ordered anything yet. I'm still waiting to get my bloodwork done. This is what I was thinking.
1 through 10 or 12 weeks at 300 milligrams of testosterone enthanate 2 times a week.
2 weeks after my last injection I will run clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks.
Clomid will be 50 milligrams everyday for 4 weeks and the nolvadex 40 milligrams everyday for 2 weeks. Then 20 milligrams everyday for 2 weeks
I'm not sure if I'm going to use the adex, aromasin, or letro for my aromatise inhibitor. I think I might try the aromasin at a dose of 6 and a half milligrams every second day to start out. I read somewhere that I should start at the end of my third or fourth week.
I'm 42 6 foot 3 and 236 pounds as of today.
I'm still not ready to start yet because I still have some things to figure outcome needles, where to inject, ect.
Any input is appreciated
Thanks man
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Bro, no reason to be overly scared. As far as good practices go w/r/t administering injections, I always point folk to the following website:
http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
BTW, I'm an old-timer and if anything could go wrong in 15 years, it would have happened. I have yet to have a problem. Enjoy your cycle.
Ok I believe I figured something's out haha the acronyms link helped a lot. So this will be the cycle lay out. (Still have a lot to learn but trying)
Weeks 1 through 12 test e at 300mg twice a week
Weeks 3 through 14 AI aromasin 12.5mg eod but adjusting up or down depending on estrogen side effects
Weeks 15 through 18 PCT clomid 100/100/50/50mg ed
Using 1 1/2 inch pins 25 gauge needles but use a separate draw needle for quads and gluts. 1 inch for my delts.
Feel free to critique. Thanks
When you buy needles get the syringe with a 20g 1" attached for drawing oil, then you can swap to a fresh needle for injecting. I've been using 23g 1" and 1.5" for thigh/glute.
1 inch for your quads too unless you have very large legs; if not you will hit your bone with a 1 1/2; ask me how I know
OUCH shit. What did that feel like?
I almost broke the needle when my leg jumped; I hit it hard enough to send the needle flying and it stuck into my wall. If you do use a 1 inch, I reccomend you do the outer middle portion of your quad; the muscle there is large enough that you cant miss it.
I'm a little nervous about jamming a needle in myself anyway. The horror stories do not help lol. I know you're trying to help me not make the same mistakes as you and I appreciate it.
Its not as bad as some people make it out to be, if it was, none of us would be doing it. Its normal to be scared your first time though, just watch lots of videos on youtube on how to do a intramuscular injection, i would start out on the quad as its the easiest muscle to inject.
I was scared as shit my 1st time but i got over it after about a month.
hey man your BF% is too high to be cycling at the moment, your cycle has a few tweaks that need sorting but i wont go into that because i feel your not quite ready as you need to get your BF% below 15% as cycling puts alot of stress on the body and can give you heart difficulties at high BF%. so get it below 15%. well done on getting bloods before hand too, alot of people skip this step but its crucial to make sure your fully recovered before your next cycle.
If my cycle needs tweaking I would appreciate it if you told me now. Just so I can work on getting it in order while I'm getting my bf down. I believe in a well laid plan and if you have useful info for me to do that. I'd like to have this information. Trust me I'm an old man I'm not going to run a half asses cycle just because I'm too impatient. This I feel is something I might have done in my youth but I'm well past that now.
Ok bro that sounds good, just usually we get alot of inpatient people coming here askin for advice who are not physically ready yet, but you sound like you know what your doing so ill give u advice.
Only a few little things that need tweaking:
Clomid isnt 50mg for four weeks it should be 100/100/50/50 nolva dosage is fine
Aromasin should be 6.25mg ED not EOD, at a higher % bf your likely going to be more prone to estro related sides so keep an eye out for gyno related symptoms.
Letro shouldnt be something ran along a cycle, its more of an emergency drug if your getting heavy signs of gyno and your AI isnt killin it, then thats the time to use letro
This is why I liked this site when I stumbled across it. The people here seem to genuinely want to help you stay healthy. I even told a family member about this site at Christmas. If I thought even for a minute that it wasn't safe or a bad idea I wouldn't have told him. He's kind of a knucklehead like me. If I know him he's lurking around here somewhere lol. I'll definitely get the body fat down. This shouldn't be a problem. If I do decide to run a cycle I'll use the aromasin but keep letro on hand should problems arise. I don't want to be caught without a backup plan. I don't know how everyone else does it but it just seems like the best idea. A few extra dollars for a piece of mind is money well spent. I still have a shit ton to learn but I want to be well informed before I make any moves I might regret. Thanks for your time and maybe I'll pick your brain later if I need to.
I enjoy helping out where i can for advice so i dont mind i sent u a FR so just msg me if u have any questions mate.
Yeah thats what i like about this place too, everybody wants to help. Ye havin letro is a good idea but ur best bet is making sure your original AI is legit so u shouldnt need the letro, by buying from a reputable source.
Good to know. It shouldn't be a problem getting my bf down. That's one of the things that comes fairly easy to me. It will take a month or 2 but I shed fat like a coat when I want to by just cleaning up the diet.
Read this, there is some good info here:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/body-fat-and-cycling
I also agree that it shouldn't matter what your BF% is, as long as your blood work comes back healthy. But, the lower your BF% is, the better the results and the less sides you should have from AAS. So there is an incentive to lower your BF while waiting to start your cycle. If you choose to go this route, make sure you have everything needed for the cycle on hand before you start, including PCT.
I'd start pct at 10 days after last shot. Everyone's clearance time is different and it is better to be safe then sorry. When 14 days after the last shot comes you may be sorry you didn't start sooner. My guess is by day 14 your test levels will be very low, enanthate has a 5.25 day half life and 16 day elimination life. However, I don't use enanthate. Maybe 14 days is perfect.
4 week pct for a 12 week cycle may not be long enough. Get blood work after 4 weeks of pct and if your blood is normal then you are OK to stop pct. If not keep pct going for another 2 weeks and get blood done again. 6 weeks will be enough. Start your ai at day 3, remember that even 300mg test ew is about 5 times the body normally makes, which means a lot more estrogen then normal. Your T will be close to 3000ng peak during cycle. With propionate I need an ai on day 2 or 3, even though you are running enanthate, it is better to be safe then sorry.
As to where to shoot, if you are shooting yourself I would reccomend shots in the side of the leg, where the muscle is thick. Remember to aspirate the needle, if you get blood then repin. If you have someone to shoot for you, shoot in the hip flexor. Teach the person who shoots for you how to aspirate the needle by pulling back the plunger after pinning. If they get blood in the needle then repin. If all they get is air then shoot away. A good way to have a less painful shot and use thinner needles is running the vial under hot water, this will heat up the gear and make the gear able to be used by a thinner needle. People also say it makes the shot less painful, personally I don't consider shots painful when injecting only 1ml. Rub the injection site for a couple minutes so you dont get a lump. You can use 23-25g needles with room temp oil, but 27g will work with warm gear.
Well, have a good cycle.
Everything I've found on PCT so far says that an4 week PCT is enough but I'll keep reading. I will be injecting myself. I think I can handle it haha we will see though. Also I'll keep reading about when to start my PCT so I can make the best decision possible. Thanks for your input.
Rubbing an injection site is a big NO NO; you will give yourself more scar tissue that way. Heating pad, aspirin IF you get pip. Smaller needle is a good idea but nothing smaller then 25g. Heating the oil in hot water for 2 minutes before pinning makes it easier to get out of the needle. Shooting in the glutes and delts and quads are normal practice; Having this guy shoot in his hip you are asking him to never cycle again.
I think he was referring to the ventroglute, which is in the hip area. I use 27g to pin, it comes out at a trickle, so there is no chance of me shooting it in too fast. It takes a minute or two, which is a good thing. Very little PIP from them.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/box-of-100-3cc-27g-x-1.25-exel-syringes
I found a site about injections and where to do it so I'll definitely look into that. I think it was spot injections.com so thanks for the info.
No problem; you should have plenty of sites to make sure you dont hit the same one twice in one week.
Stay safe.
Does the PCT Nolva dosing look right to you on the post below from CBBurr?
clomid is about right, nolva seems strange. Check out the posts about pct and you will find tbe right answer to that.
The PCT dosing schedule looks different than what I've been seeing. I thought that the standard PCT looked like clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva at 25/24/12/12. Not saying that yours is wrong, just different than what I thought was the norm.
The test dose is just a little higher than what I;m dosing, but you are a big dude.
I've been using aromasin and started out at 3mg a day, same as you. I've been able to drop it down even lower and still not have signs of high estro.
I started my AI at day 15, it seemed to be right on time. Sorry I can't be more helpful with your questions, I'm just a noob myself. My cycle looks alot like yours, and the experienced guys seem to think its a good first cycle.
The one thing you said that strikes me as odd is the nolva at 25/24/12/12. I've never read that it almost sounds like an aromasin dose. I've seen 40/40/20/20 & 40/40/20/10 but I can't find anything on the doses your speaking of. This doesn't mean you're wrong it's just I can't find any literature to back that up. So I'll keep looking.
Kraneman, you are right. I was throwing some odd nolva numbers at you.
When digging though my notes, I found that the nolva doses are cut down if you run aromasin through PCT.
I'm going to give that setup a try in another 6 weeks, I'll post how it works for me. Scary to think about your system not rebooting with PCT.
It's important that people double and triple check advice and information anyway. Just for their own safety and well being. Sometimes we make mistakes that's part of what makes us human. Thanks though and good looking out. I appreciate your willingness to help.
Krane, I just got my mid cycle bloods done. I thought I had my estro levels all dialed in, no sore nips and no sore joints. I was at 3mg a day of aromasin. Turns out that my estro was pretty high! Way tricky to get it dialed in just right. I think my sweet spot is gonna be 4 or 5 mg a day.
Oh, and 500mg of test e per week has my test level high as hell! 4277!
\good luck with the cycle, I hope you make a log so I can see how it goes for you.
If/when I decide to start I'll have to keep track of my estrogen with bloods because I don't know how I would feel with them high or low. I don't trust it. I might be able to tell if something is off but with no experience I wouldn't attempt it by feel alone. I read some where that I could get bloodwork online for like 50$. So if that's the case I'll get the blood work done because that's fairly cheap. Maybe after a couple cycles I'll know what to look for by paying close attention to my body while on a cycle and putting a number to the way I feel. This seems like a good approach.