+ 2 Help me build a simple cut cycle
First off, Hello everyone! I have been lurking on this site and several others over the last 2 years or so, been reading about all the different AAS and now I have finally decided to do a cycle starting in Nov 2013. I have had AAS on my mind since I was 16 but I have managed to hold off till now and I followed some great people online and waited till I hit 25.
So here I am asking for your help so that I dont mess up!
My stats:
25 years of age, been in the gym since 13 .. quit for 4 years at age 18 and got into boxing. Been working out 3.5 years 5-6 days a week straight now.. I am a certified personal trainer (not as a job, did it for my own knowledge) and I took a couple of nutrition courses. I am currently 5'10 and 180 lbs , about 9-10% body fat.. I have good definition (4pack) but cant lose the last bit, I do have scar tissue around my lower ab from an appendix surgery about 6 years ago.
My diet is reasonably clean but i am restricted to what I can eat at work.. I work from 6am - 4:30pm and hit the gym at 5pm. I also do 20 minutes of either intense boxing or spin bike,
5:00AM : 6 scrambled eggs with 1-2 pieces of toast
9:00 AM : oatmeal and usually an apple or orange + granola bar or Vector cereal (i eat this dry.. )
12:00 pm : this is 90% of the time chicken and sometimes lamb with some rice and a full serving of veggies
2:00 pm : protein shake and another granola bar or a banana
4:45pm : banana + pre workout + creatine
5pm : gym
6:30-7:00pm : another protein shake with creatine and glutamine
8:30-9 : this is usually same as my lunch or 6 scrambled eggs
And then repeat for 6 days, Sundays is my cheat day but even then I dont eat crap i eat healthy ..
I dont mind doing a clean Test E only cycle for 10 weeks with clomid and nolva for the pct but I am not sure if i will stay lean with that cycle, a friend of mine did it and he put on 20 lbs.. and he looked quite bloaty with an almost identical diet but everyones genes are different soo...I have looked at everyone elses cutting cycle and first cycles for the last 6 months and its a 50/50 on what people suggest.
So without having to copy someone elses routine I would like to try and build one for me and get it going soon.I had posted on another forum and got some decent advice, but i didnt log in for a bit and my post got deleted :(. I will be staying here for sometime and grow bigger!
Any advice/critic is highly advice and appreciated. I dont mind critics but please word your reply a little less harsh
Many thanks in advance
Cycle as follows:
Test E 250mg Mon and Thursday Week 1-10 (or should i go for 12)
Arimidex Mon and Thursday .5mg Mon and thur or should i do 1g? Week 2-10 (or12 depends on test)
Nolvadex 40mg ED for week 12-14 and 20mg ED for 15-16
Clomid 100mg ED for week 12-14 and 50mg ED for 15-16
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Thanks all for the replies. I am doing the exact cycle revenge posted. I will post before/mid/after pictures!! I hope we grow together
Zewi and revenge have you sorted here bro....... take no further advice from this thread, pick one of their outlined cycles and eat well, train and rest hard and you will have the desired result.
Revenge + zewi..... thanks guys for bringing some sense into this maniacal thread.
test e @ 500 weeks 1-10
adex @ .25 eod weeks 3-10
clomid weeks 12-16/- 100-100-50-50
nolva weeks 12-16/- 40-40-20-20
make sure you have your ai on hand, it can be adex or aromasin, the doses can vary depending on your sides, you wont have to many issues on your first cycle mate, you can split your test in to two injections if you like as you stated above, or once a week is fine aswell, its your choice, be sure to rotate your injection sites, delts, quads and glutes are easiest, don't forget your vitamins, and watch your blood pressure, hawthorn berry extract works well pre load it for a week or two and run through ou cycle, you can even buy an all in one cycle support product, ( look it up online) there actually good, get bloods done before and after,eat well, train hard and sleep good and you will grow, don't listen to the suggestions below mate test is all you need!!!
ZewiAnabolXIMO you have two choices. You can either use a long ester or a short ester. And this being your first cycle, and you want the best lean cycle you can get.
Well that starts with diet which it looks like you are all about. Remember diet first no diet no results; these are not magic bean stock beans. So don’t lose focus on that. DIET DIET DIET
I thought long and hard on what I think might be what you’re looking for. Imo for the results you’re looking for I would go with a shorter ester more shots but I little different results and it will hit you sooner than later, and you can do a shorter cycle, and see if you get any sides. However you could still choose to do the longer ester.
So here is my cycle input
1-8 Test p @ 150mg EOD comes to 600mg one week and 450 the next .
1-8 AI Adex .5mg EOD nipples get sore go to .5mg ED
Or you could go with a longer ester –test e or c
1-12 @ 500-600mg a week
4-12 Adex .5mg EOD nipples get sore go to .5mg ED
I think for you and what you’re looking for the shorter cycle with the short ester will be what you’re looking for.
superwilltest prop 50mg ed
tren a 50-100mg ++++ ed (personaly the more the better.)
masteron 50mg ed (acts as an ai, no need for ai)
anavar 50-100mg/day
followed by trt cruise or pct.. personally cruise
MOTHER FUCKER!!.... This is hes first cycle you fkn bone head.......... you throw 4 compounds including tren+mast up in here at advanced dosages... FUCK ME! im tearing my fkn hair here you bastard.
I cannot allow a loose cannon like you to roam around throwing BS info at beginners.... so for that reason and also pulling you in another thread this morning you have to go
Get to fuck off my board........ BANNED.
that's horrible bro
Let's be simple, then. Assuming the worst 13% BF u want to drop to 7% at the end of the cut. I would give myself 12 weeks -that a reduction of 2% BF per month. Certainly attainable. You don't want Test and it's water in your system at then end so I would drop the Test E and switch to Test P. You could make that switch a month or two in or be simple and just start with Test P. We could use Tren here, T3 also but your not doing pre contest prep for a national show, so let's blow that off. In fact I'm trying to get even simpler - I was going to suggest var and Winny in this - but let's blow that off as well and use Mast. I've never run mast longer than 3 weeks but I use a bunch of other crap and it certainly is not going to hurt anything
This leaves me with the suggestion.
(1-12) Test Prop (300-400) mg / wk EOD
(1-12) Masteron Prop (400 mg /wk)
(1-12) Clen (80 mcg / day) - could work your way up from 40
(1-12) Adex (1 mg / day)
Followed by PCT.
Just a suggestion . . . I would also go into a full blown keto diet that you can ease out of at the end. That's probably way more important than the selection of anabolics . . . . .
OH GOD!.............. Its his first fkn cycle............. stupid fkn advice here again and whats with 1mg of adex DAILY!!!!!........ also i see you mention we could use tren and T3........... SHAGGIN HELL MAN wtf is wrong with you???????????//
Sorry bro - I missed somehow that this is his first cycle. Completely missed it. Worried about how I could miss it . ..
I think I was reading another post for request for a cut cycle by a guy with a lot of background when I answered this. I know I did just by what I wrote. Adex at 1mg/day is my dose - should have put 0.5 mg / eod although even less works with some folk. I was reading a post about a guy talking about previous Tren use in a cut and I thought it was overkill and recommended getting rid of it.
Alright we are cool bro... i have been following your stuff the past few days and its all good... then i saw this and thought WTF is he stoned or what!! LOL
From what I have read on other cycles I will not be doing that many compounds in my first cycle.
Thanks but no thanks
Bro, Adex is an aromatase inhibitor to protect you from any estrogen related side effects from Testosterone. Something like that should always be used when u use Test. It is not a "compound." Clen is not a steroid either - it is actually a bronchodilator that has some nice fat loss effects. So we're down to Test and Mast. 2 compounds.
This is not good advice
This is TEST and MAST + some Clen and an AI - it couldn't get any simpler and gentler - Clen is not a steroid. So, Test + 1 compound. Where are my excesses here?
first cycle mate, its test only, no need for clen or mast, test is best mate, the cycle hes layed out is just fine, its sensible, and his diet is reasonable for his goals, no need to encourage extra compounds, I accidentally thumbs downed you, im fixing it now.
Do you really think that is good advice for someone's first cycle? I DONT.
Repost sorry
No offense bro, looking at those pictures you are not 9 or 10% bf. Closer to 12-13%. But who knows everyone's body has slightly different fat distribution.
I would run the cycle for 12 weeks, test E is a long ester and by yhe time you feel it kick in you will wish you were running it for 12. Good luck bro!
None taken, Yes at that stage i was roughly 12% but I changed my diet quiet a bit and added cardio (in the picture i was doing 0 cardio) .. I am naturally lean.
Currently I am sitting at roughly 10% , abs showing without the need to flex.
And maybe I will run 12, but 10 seems to be working for alot of people.
Any specific reason as to why you suggest 12? Just curious
Thanks for the reply
No specific reason other than what I already posted.
Anyone else ? I'm gonna make the move on this
Any other suggestions?? Help guys, I want to get this together by the end of the month
Any chance of a self-pic then i can see what we are working with here please... 180lbs @ 9/10% is tight bro.it may be you just need a little work in certain areas to pull the balance together.
I think we may be looking at packing some beef on before dicing up too much for better results.
These are about 2 months old, I will take new ones soon. I have just cut a bit more around my abs, mostly the top. You can see the scar tissue I was talking about above and below my belly button.. almost looks like i got two belly buttons.
http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/smashedd1/library/
If you're at 9-10% bf, where are you trying to cut to? That's pretty lean already.
I wanna get down to 7 , I was around 7 when I was 20 but I could barely eat anything to keep it :(. I struggle with putting on weight , everyone in the FAM has a lean build naturally
Have you got a smart phone? If you have download an app which can work out your daily macros and see what's really going on there. As you know it's all down to diet!
yeah I do, I have my diet to 75% protein 12.5 car and 12.5 fat. I'm thinking of going up to 80 protein and 10&10. I can hire a dietician to get all my numbers straight if I want to be super anal about it.. my work covers me for 500$ that should buy me 3-5 sittings with one
Yea a ten to twelve week cycle with Test 400-500mg a week like you said with a good diet will cut you up pretty nice. As far as the bloat your friend experienced. If you run arimidex or exemestane during your cycle that should help alot with the bloat.
I think you will be more than happy with the results you'll get for Test alone. And next time you can run some winstrol at the end. But, for a first time Test only will be just fine and it'll save alot of money. I loved my first 2 cycles that were test only. You'll be just fine with Test.
Yes I was thinking Test E 400mg/week , mon and thursday .. As for armididex I was thinking of doing the same days after week 2, would that be ok?
Everyone suggests every 3rd day so I would be skipping sunday and doing it monday instead.
Thanks for the reply
Yea that sounds like a plan to me
arimidex really helps the bloat a lot so you wont gain as much water weight as your friend. And skipping sunday is fine. 1mg twice a week should be good unless you get some estrogen sides might need to bump it to 3 times a week. But, usually it's not necessary. Looks like you've got a solid plan.
RustyhookerAdex is .25e3d. If nips get sensitive .25eod. 1Mg twice a week is huge and crash the estro all together.
Blood test week 6 helps dial in ai IF its even needed.
Thanks for catching that I had a brain fart. Thats what I had to take last cycle b/c of some under dosed adex. Rusty's right good adex .25e3d.