is PIP really this bad?
Hey guys,
So I'm now almost 3 weeks into my first test only cycle, I have 5 shots so far and I'm doing shoulders.
using 25 gauge one inch.
I did read the sticky about PIP and I'm now looking for advice from everybody when they were on their first cycle.
out of the 5, only once I didn't have any pip but the other 4 times it hurts like hell for 3-4 days.
my last shot was 2 days ago in the right shoulder and I can't lift my shoulder any higher than my chest right now . it hurts bad..
this pain usually does go away 3-4 days on its own.
I do apply heat to shoulders before shot, I warm up vial as well. I applied heat to shoulder for about 30 minutes last night and it didn't seem to help.
what can I do to make this better??
also I have another question, my 3 shot when I pulled the syringe out I had a lot of blood come pouring out.. I have seen little dabs here and there but this was like when you get a cut and blood just pours out. I remember clearly I had aspirated and didn't see nothing ... so did I hit something on the exit??
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If you are doing your first Test cycle - why not just alternate glute injections twice a week? 250 mg on each cheek per week. They are huge muscles and can handle the oil with ease. They only time I ever hit delts is when I'm pinning a lot of oil - shouldn't be necessary on your first cycle.
Check out the instruction book on administering shots:
http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
Try using prop!
TheCaptainTry using a 23 gauge to pin instead of a 25. This may sound odd and honestly it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, but I found that I got worse pip from a 25 than a 23. My only explanation is that it has something to do with the pressure created as the oil comes out of the syringe. 23 gauge=smoother/more fluid injection than a 25...maybe...I don't know.
This is just my experience and I had one buddy that said the same thing, other people might disagree though. Just might be worth a try.
I think that is a very valid point about pressure. I think too many people get impatient with the higher gauge needles and push way too hard instead of just taking their time.
LiquidzThe blood spurt from shoulders only happened to me once and it was on my 1st shoulder shot ever.
I was standing up in front of the mirror and the arm being injected wasn't relaxed, swear I hit a vessel and it was a spurt.....gross and freaked me out.
from here on out do this for shoulders
sit on the edge of your bed, use 5/8 needles, no need to heat the WHOLE vial, just put the juice in the barrel and have a warm glass of water, soak the syringe in the glass for a minute, relax your arm and let it hang freely, almost touching the floor, hanging loose. pin shoulder. no more spurts, pip free IME.
I can tell you this from my past experience, chem major with 6 years biotech experience.
every compound has a boiling point or if a powder a melting point.
I would never heat the whole vial in fear of damaging the vial unless you know that you are well under the threshold of damaging the compound.
Id rather lose a shot instead of the whole vial, unlikely but could happen especially to those who heat too high.
again, draw steroid into syringe, recap, heat faucet water to hot-ish, fill cup 1/2 full, drop syringe (capped) into cup, let sit for a minute. take out, dry with towel. inject
My suggestion regarding drawing pin size ve pinning size is this
GPZ - buy a ton of 18 gauge to draw - fast draws and dirt cheap
shoulders chest and tris 5/8 inch pins
glutes quads 1 inch pins
buy a bunch of the 18 guage for drawing
and a bunch of 5/8 and 1 inch syringes with needles
when combining more than 1 substance in the same barrel I just have dedicated syringes with 18 gauge set to the side and label each one
example - tren A written in sharpie on the side of the barrel so I always use that one for only drawing tren A
same for prop or E or whatever.
Take the needle off the one you are going to inject with, insert tren a 18 gauge needle into the open barrel and fill the empty barrel, same with the other compound in the other drawing needle
re-apply the needle to inject with, heat, pin
Its kinda funnywhen you notice someone in the gym walking funny and sitting funny on the bench causr of the PiP from the glutes
Just dud glutes last night, 1.5 inch and 1.5cc. I have a little pip, I believe it is because I was sore from a leg day a few days earlier. But take your time when you do these things, no need to rush at all
valhallas bestWell fuck your gonna feel it u have to let your body adapt to the foreign substances your putting in your body.. I just finished my first cycle and if u look at my post had the same problem as you.. U should definitely throw in gluten and quads they're the best but it will get better
Quads are easy to pin too..throw those in there with the rotation
I was thinking quads actually. people recommend 23 gauge 1.5 inches. should I go with that?
23gauge and 1 1/2 inches is fine if that's all you have access to as most compounds will easily flow through a 23gauge. If your compounds will flow through a higher gauge. I would recommend going up. My personal favorite is 27gauge 1 1/4 inch from BD.
Also, I hope you're using one needle to draw and then switching to another before you take the shot. going through the rubber top will dull a needle. I use an 18gauge for that.
Hope this helps.
well I can buy anything.
for shoulders I use the 23 gauge to withdraw and a 25 gauge one inch to pin.
so I'm thinking of using the 25 gauge to withdraw and the 23 gauge to pin on the quad.
I have a pharmacy store in town that sells without any questions! and they are dirt cheap so I can buy something else if I wanted.
also why 27 gauge? isn't that extremely hard to push? the 25 gauge takes me about 30 seconds for one cc
1st of all, I think you should do it the other way around. Draw with the 23 and then use the 25. The idea is you want to use the larger gauge as it is a smaller needle and causes less trauma.
Because the compounds I use go through the 27gauge without a problem. This way I cause less trauma to the site.
Remember that injecting quickly can also cause problems. So it's not a big deal if it takes you 30 seconds.
I only have 1inch 25 gauge so that's why I was gonna use it to withdraw for quads. The 23's I have are 1.5 inches which would be good for quads.
I will buy 25 gauge 1.5 inches if that's better
RustyhookerObviously you didn't read the links below. Still folks spoonfeed.....lol
:/ I am at work and only replying on break times. I printed the links you sent. I'll be reading tonight
RustyhookerAwesome!! Read and get your goals as easily as possible. No need to have a hard time with everything this site offers.
If you are impatient to inject with the 25gauge. Good luck trying to draw with a 25gauge. LOL
Oh not impatient , I was just thinking of it takes me 30 seconds per cc, which is a good thing. That 27 gauge must take a while .
I am real inflexible these days so i came up with a plan to hit my ventos..... i fixed up an old silicone gun to a car tyre pump with a kangaroo dart fitted on the end so i can get real deep IM shots in my ass!.... shit!.. talk about PIP, when this thing hits home its like being reamed by a sex starved gay midget.. 6ft blood spurts and howling like a fkn banshee....... i just loooove it LOL.
Apolagise to any of our gay midget members.... no harm meant lmao!
HOMEWORK for today........ http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/so....you-got-pip#comme...
haahahaha your a mad man
Damn right
RustyhookerJust spat my coffee! Midget toss just got a whole new meaning!
Bro, I think the best thing you can do is give your virgin muscles a little time to get used to the pinning. Make sure that you are rotating sites. I know if I pin one spot too often there is a buildup and the pip is nasty. I give it a rest and it clears up.
Make sure you are religious about sterility and just watch the site with the bad pip. If it starts to turn red and you get a fever get to a doc.
As far as the blood squirts are concerned, I wouldnt worry too much about it. It's quite normal for that to happen. Just plug the leak with an alchohol swab and apply pressure.
Everyone is a little different when it comes to pip. I can pin high mg test prop and water based gear all the time without pip. However hit me with a long Ester testosterone and you bet your ass I'm feeling it.
GearofWar100% agree. Got to get used to pinning. It's been a while since pinning so often because I've been off for the last 7 months. Last Tren-Ace cycle I was pinning ED and never had pip after a short while. Now though, it's like starting all over again. I'm getting some pretty moderate to severe PIP again but I know it's just a matter of time before that goes away altogether again. You'll get used to it brother, and it'll get better.
thanks! I am rotating left/right shoulder. I sterile everything , I go through like 8 alcohol pads per shot , my left one had a little bit of redness (more pink like) for like a day , just below where I had pinned. no fever or nothing tho and it went away.
thanks again for your help, puts my mind at ease
RustyhookerThat's not enough rotation. You'll get a stetile abscess and that's not good. Ventro...other ventro...then delt....other delt at bare minimum.
okay, I'll start doing that. thank you
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