First time cycle ever need a little help please
I would like to get some critique and or advice, on my upcoming Test E cycle, so that you can make me aware if I am missing anything. This is my first experience with AAS.
Here are my stats:
I'm a 45 yr old healthy male
6' tall
210 lbs
16% body fat
My diet is on point and I take the following supplements(Creatine, Glutamine, Fish Oil, Milk Thistle, NAC, BCAA, Glucosamine, B-12, DHEA, Biotin, and Muti-Vit from Twin labs)
I've been training steady for the past 3yrs. Had a shoulder injury(shoulder impingement) and took 3 mths off to recover last summer. I've been consistently training for 1.6 years now since injury.
I also had a bout w/ low T, 2 yrs ago w/ test levels at 190.....Dr. prescribed 3 cycles of clomid and test went to 590....after that PR in bench 285 and squat 365 (Thank you German Creatine).....but then came shoulder injury. For last 1.6 yrs of training I've been going hard but not crazy.....trying to get more reps then PR......just recently did bloods and test was at 290.(Dr. wants to look at it again in 3 mths) Was thinking of doing a Test E cycle to reboot like I did w/ the clomid 2 yrs ago( keep in mind I feel good and my diet,sleep and supps are on point)
My goal is to add 8-10 lbs of muscle while keeping body fat at or under 16% and obviously get my test levels up to the 700+ range
Here is my cycle proposal: (All Pharma Grade Products)
Week 1 to 12: Test E @ 400mg per week. (200mg twice weekly)
Week 1 to 13: Adex @ 0.25mg every other day (if needed)
I'll take two weeks off after last injection and then PCT with Clomid @ 100/75/50/50 and Nolva @ 40/20/20/20
Im also a little confused about HCG.....some say its a must on EVERY cycle and some say its a MUST right before or during pct. Would HCG be necessary for me at any time during this 1st Test cycle?
Any input would be much appreciated.
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Well if your levels are only boosted after using Clomid then crash back down without HPTA insult then it may be time to discuss TRT with an endo. With test undecanoate now being utilized it won't be a massive inconvenience to your life but again that is up to you. The cycle will probably make your levels worse long term but at best won't help them. HCG is not necessarily needed but if you're going to PCT then it will make the transition easier. You can run it either throughout the cycle or a short blast leading up to PCT and it will work either way. Don't run it during PCT. 400mg of test a week is going to put you way over 700 ng/dL by the way lol
yeah my levels were very steady after Clomid......this "crash" is recent and I'm hearing/thinking it might well be b/c of the 100mg of DHEA I've been taking for the past 6 mths. Will be stopping that immediately. Going to my endo in 2 weeks and will discuss w/ her. Very interested in my BW after 2 mths of no DHEA....thanks for your input
My bad didn't notice the DHEA but that'll do it. My apologies for not reading closely
Thanks KL
Here is my input Bro.
Your diet is far from spot on. With three years training you should be under 10% body fat.
Drop all those supplements that they cost you a fortune and invest your money in FOOD . Omega 3 eggs, beef, chicken breast, tuna, salmon, oats, peanuts, almonds, avocado, rice, yams, broccoli, asparagus, green beans and green salads . There is no great physique that was created on supplements.
We are the same age bro so lets face it, our hormones are going only one way, that is DOWN and Down.
If you want to continue using a doctor find one that is a specialist about HRT therapy, or even better do like i did and marry her (he he he ).
It seems like you have age related low test levels, so most probably you should be on testosterone replacement therapy permanently . When you had issues with low T two years ago what makes you think that it will get better as you are getting older.
My cycle proposal to you would be 500 mgs. sustanon and 400 mgs Deca per week. This is the standard classic, timeless cycle. The deca will help you also with those injuries and lubricate your joints.
I would not consider going off cycle before i consulted with an HRT replacement doctor. Most probably what he will recommend to you is that off cycle for you would be one shot of cypionate or enathate a week,
Hope this helps.
AnonSome of your advice is good as far as food goes......
but don't ever advise Deca to a user on their FIRST cycle!!! If they have a bad side they may not know which compound is causing it.... They're just not ready for ANY 19nor
If i have broken any rules i am sorry for that . I thought that everybody here is expressing their opinion, for what that is worth, on the relevant subject of this forum .
TRT is a major life long commitment and Im not looking to commit to pinning every week for the rest of my life(right now) when options like Clomid are available. And Clomid worked great for me. Im confident I can do 2 or 3 small cycles of clomid (20 days on , 10 off) and get Test levels back to 500+, but I didn't want to do that and then start a Test E cycle right after. I would think I would need some type of time buffer there.
Deca is a quality compound but probably not appropriate for my 1st ever AAS cycle. My diet could always be better though. Thanks for your input
As i said find and consult with a good HRT specialist Doctor.
The reason that i recommended the DECA is because of your shoulder injury that you mentioned. If you start to use that Test Enathate your strength is going to increase dramatically and what you think is going to happen with that shoulder injury? There is only two things that help with injuries, Deca and GH. In my 30 years as a bodybuilder i had my share of injuries and they are not becoming better as we age.
Just to be clear here, deca doesn't "help" injuries, it purely masks it a touch. Certainly helps whilst on it, the danger being when you come off of it and realise you've pushed a little harder than maybe you should......
But thats why i recommended it in the first place. The guy HAS a shoulder injury already that got without even taking steroids, what you think is going to happen when he starts using that test enathate that he is talking about and his strength increases ?
Exactly the same as will happen if he takes test and deca. The only difference being deca will mask the pain / soreness etc.a little, it doesn't have any sort of healing effect. Then once he comes off, he may well have pushed harder than he should as a result of the deca masking it a touch and potentially damaging it further. I've done it myself with rotator cuff injuries, "it feels pretty good, let's stick another plate on". Back on the operating table for more surgery......
I wish I could +100 for this. You prove why it's important to research and learn before taking the next step. And age and maturity has a lot to do with. What ever you decide I think you'll take a responsible approach.
You can say that again! And I owe a lot to patient people just like you on this site.....Thanks' again!
Wrong suggestion about cycle advice.
Would you like to explain to me why my suggestion is wrong? I am always interested to learn more.
After all i have only been a bodybuilder for over 30 years and have been using steroids for 25 years.
T-Rex explained it for me. Welcome to Eroids brother. There is a lot to learn here, even from members who are just starting out and never cycled. Glad ur here.... ;-)
Thank you very much for the warm welcome brother ;-) I really appreciate it.
As i said we all learn as long as we live. Back in 1983 when i started bodybuilding there was no internet to find and exchange information , so we learned the hard way, by experimenting on our selfs. today we have the possibilities to learn from each other and maybe succeed to save a few young guys from a lot of problems when they get older.
I'm gonna answer this not only to be helpful to you but possibly get a +2 as well(lol)
Steroids are powerful hormones and w/ that being said, your 1st cycle should always consist of just 1 compound(Test). In any cycle Test should always be used as the base. Most compounds will shut down your natural production of test and w/out test on a cycle of different compounds, you are asking for trouble(especially Deca). Also if you are using 2 new compounds at the same time and you have a negative reaction to 1, you wont be able to pinpoint which compound is giving you the problem; so when you stack compounds during a cycle you only want to introduce 1 new compound at a time(per cycle)
The question was not for you but since you decided to answer i owe to reply .
About the Deca i answered to you above why you should use it . Maybe you misunderstood me being new in this forum with being new in bodybuilding. I cannot explain it in any other way you trying to explain to somebody who has been taking steroids, GH, insulin and many other things for over 25 years, that steroids are powerful hormones. I know people who react on tren, D-bol, Anapolon and some other stuff, but i have never heard of anybody reacting on deca because is one of the mildest steroids. Most bodybuilders use it only for the reason that i recommended it to you, as a lubrication for their sore or injured joints. The only ones that got negative reactions is a few newbies like you that took it by itself without testosterone. Yes some kind of testosterone should ALWAYS be the base of any cycle.
Listen.. before a MOD slams you bro, here at eroids we DO NOT direct people to use any 19nors until they are creating their 3rd cycle or above..... to run a 19 is ludicrous just for joint soothing, a whole different amount of side effects can/will occur when 19s are introduced into the body, which may i say you did NOT outline any other compound that may need to be added to counteract these i.e Ai,s of any description.
I appreciate your time in the game, but here at eroids we try to promote a one compound at once protocol to hopefully keep people safe and most importantly to educate the young and vulnerable to reach a far higher knowledge base than any other s0-called AAS websites.
Not having a pop at you brother, i have worked hard for years on this board to create a certain standard that we all follow. i would prefer you do the same then we can all share our knowledge and experiences in a positive and productive manner ........ thankyou
Also...there is an advanced section groups....have a look and join...
Thanks brother , i will.
I get what you're saying, but it's just site protocol that it's advised to use 1 new compound at a time. I know you didn't mention its use but insulin is extremely taboo here and isn't to be discussed in open forum. Just a heads up.
The only thing i am recommending is if you decide to go down that road, get yourself a good HRT doctor
to follow you and guide you.
That said we are all unique and a protocol that works for me maybe its not he best for you. In the end you will have to experiment and find out what works for you and what doesnt. Please dont be one of those internet geniuses that know everything because they red it on the internet.
I have friends competitive bodybuilders that can take 250 mgs. of test a week and have amazing results. Others take thousands of mgs. a week and they hardly ever get any results.
Others can just look at a syringe and get all kinds of side effects, while others can take enormous quantities of the most toxic orals and never have any side effects. Thats genetics brother.
I could not have explained it any nicer...lol...thumbs up brother!!
I've learned from patient members like you....so thank you!
Good catch! First cycle should always be Test only! +2
Thx bro...
Post diet. I know u say its on point, but we need specifics. Thanks.
Discontinue DHEA...STAT!! After d/c DHEA get bloodwork again in 4-6 weeks. It suppresses, or has the ability to suppress depending on dose and frequency. How long have u taken DHEA? Your T Level might not be that low, bro!
How much cardio do u do currently?
Post goals for cycle?
Thanks...welcome to Eroids...
I never eat any fast food and no soda in decades and dont add sugar to anything
breakfast- lowfat cottage cheese(1%), OJ, oatmeal, egg whites, organic grain cereal, whole milk
Lunch- always different....chicken breasts w/ veggies, fish tacos, sushi, turkey burgers, pasta salads, veggie salads w/ proteins, tuna fish sands,
Dinners- Sushi, pasta w/ protiens, tuna steaks, fish cutlets, chicken, veggies, rice , potatoes, sushi and more sushi
I have an appt w/ a nutritionist soon so I can map out a specific diet for the next 3-4 mths
Not sure what STAT is??? I take 100mg of dhea daily and have been doing so for past 5 mths
I do 12 minutes of cardio (decent intensity) 5 days a week
Cycle goals-add 8-10 lbs of muscle while keeping body fat at or under 16% and obviously get my test levels up to the 700+ range
thanks for the input MedDx!
STAT is medical term for NOW...And 100mg a day is enough to cause an imbalance in test levels and blood work. U responded well to clomid for a 45 yo male. Were u taking DHEA when u were taking clomid?
Diet looks attainable and a nutritionist will help u with ur micros/macros to meet ur goals. Keep ur cardio going. Good luck bro..
I was not taking dhea when I took clomid.....very interested to see what my bloods look like in 2 -3 mths off dhea .....*&^&^%%$$$##@@! dhea!
Better to get off dhea and reboot with clomid then get bloods....dhea will suppress.....have to stabilize without drugs to see where ur at natty
Edit your post and remove the source name budi before a MOD arrives.
https://www.eroids.com/rules-and-guidelines
Done. It was the brand name and not the source that's why I thought it was OK when I wrote the post. Now I know for future post Thanks Viking
Cool bro........ +3 its only a learning curve for site protocols, wont take you long.. enjoy brother
quick question w/ this proposed cycle....w/ current t-levels at 290 if I do this Test E cycle for 12 weeks is there a good chance post cycle my levels will be the same or worse during or after pct?
(This is what some members have been telling me) "I'm not sure a pct is gonna do much good for you. More than likely you're gonna lose everything you gained, and your natural test levels will very likely recover even lower than pre cycle."
DHEA is causing the suppression or false test reading if you want to look at it that way..... TRT may not be on the cards yet, remove the problem then reassess the situation before you take any further actions would be my suggestion here brother.
P.S... you havnt been taking any winstrol by any chance have you?... because that it renown for giving seriously low test (natty) readings.
Great suggestion and thanks for the advice.....I will adhere immediately and seeing my endo in 2 weeks as well. Also, I never taken Winstrol or any other AAS. This test cycle was about to be my 1st
PallMallIm not familiar with rebooting levels by running a cycle..it sounds like a backwards concept to me. I mean in my mind its like "ok, ill shut down my hpta for three months and then try and jump start it and hope it gets better" i dont know if doing that would really be more harmful than helpful or what......if it were me i would have this convo with my doc.
Its a conv im gonna have w/ my endo in 2 weeks but they have a closed mind to AAS cycles. More then likely endo is gonna prescribe 2 or 3 cycles of Clomid(over 2 mths) and then do BW right after. This is my crossroads....I wanna do the cycle now but my test levels aren't great....they'll def go up w/ a pharma grade teste cycle but the million dollar question is what will my test levels be post pct......that s my biggest concern right now
Your test levels won't improve post cycle, more likely they will deteriorate. Your shutting down your natural production, (something your endo / doc has been trying to improve by using clomid therapy), by running a steroid cycle.
If you're trying to improve your natural test levels, a steroid cycle certainly isn't the way to go.
yeah im gonna put this cycle on hold until I meet w/ my endo and get my t-levels back to normal.....I have a funny feeling the 100mg daily of dhea for the past 6 mths could be the culprit here.
If your doc wants to see you again in 3 months won't this cycle run into that time frame and mess up your blood work? About the hcg IMO i dont think it's a "must". It definitely has its benefits but it's not gonna make or break you either way.
Im assuming my test levels would be at least 500+ post cycle so I really would have no need to see him at that point. Nice to hear about the hcg.....thanks for your input
Don't get me wrong I like hcg with pct. However pct still sucks. Lol.