First Cycle Questions-Test and Eq
Ok, so after a lot of research I would like to try out a cycle strictly for collagen synthesis. Muscle building is of no concern to me or at least not the main concern. I may have severe tendonitis in my dominant wrist. Almost debilitating at this point. Always comes back with a vengeance.
I would like to run the smallest dose of test possible, maybe something like 100mg a week or even just a trt dose, I would have to look that up I don't know first hand. Also would like to run Eq for collagen synthesis. I understand that Eq would need to be run for a 16 week minimum for optimal results. Does this also apply to synthesis as I am not looking to gain muscle? I understand the whole type 1 versus type 3 debate. I would plan to run hgh or secretogogues. I am also wondering what kind of doses I could be looking at as most that I have seen wanted this for muscle building purposes. Most cycles look like this that I have noticed.
Test E 200-400mg/week split in two shots mon morning thurs pm
Equipose 400-600mg/week I think just one shot a week?
Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20
Clomid @ 100/100/100/50
Aromasin on hand.
Because of the long half-life of EQ, I'll be stopping two weeks before the last pin of test.
PCT starts 28 days after last pin of EQ and 14 days after Test
I have cjc w/dac and ipamorelin maybe 100mcg/up to 3x's/day
Will secretogogues be enough or do I need to run generic hgh to keep the type 1 and type 3 ration? Also if you run hcg the whole cycle do you even need test or as much? Your keeping your own production by using hcg correct, since safety/collagen synthesis is my goal not muscle building, would I be able to get away with less test or no test at all? If I add hcg then sides are more likely to occur, could use arimidex at .25mg mon wed fri to keep estro low if I do run hcg with it.
cycle could look like this wk1-12eq wk1-14test e
Test E 150mg/ split in two shots a week 16-20 nolva 40/40/20/20 mg
Eq 300mg/week one shot? 16-20 clomid 100/100/100/50
cjc w/dac 2mg/week one shot
Ipamorelin 100mcg/1-3 x's daily
This is the most I would run. I know I shouldn't run anything but test the first time around but this situation is a little unordinary. Should I skip the anabolics and just do the secretogogues? I also have tb500 and bpc 157 ready. I'm just preparing if the doctor doesn't have a solution for me I just want to be prepared.
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Turns out to be osteo arthritis! I'm fucked, so much for 60 hours a week of trying to level up to professional artist for the last decade plus the school debt! Fuck me! Might try stem cells if i have the money, IDK, just tired of being let down by unfortunate turn of events. Thanks for the help though guys I appreciate it.
I think you are going to be disappointed with collagen synthesis properties of running that cycle. Stick with the steroids for muscle building, that is what they do best, not collagen synthesis. Play around with peps instead and see what they can do.
I would assume TB500 and BPC 157 would be the most optimal for this case, any other suggestions?
I would also add in HGH.
thanks for the suggestion. Any good source recommendation? Friend Request sent.
Brother this will be your first cycle if you react bad to a substance you will not know which it is as your pumping that much shit in you i think aas and growth and other shit may not be the answer.Start how we all (majority)start on here 1 compound at a time.
My sensible side says the same things, how would I know what is causing the reactions if I run that many compounds? I just hate the idea of running test and messing with my own production if I'm not gaining ground on healing with running the eq as well. We'll see I go to the dr tmrw. I may have to just run a short cycle of test first at like 150mg/week to see how I do. I could also run the secretagogues and the peptides as I have already ran the peptides for a week or so and just not run the anabolics.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2233278
not sure if anything good is in this one
https://www.shoulderdoc.co.uk/news/view/125
this one is interesting
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21481384
and this one
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/45261-steroids-...
scroll down to the posted study on this one
http://www.sportsmedres.org/2012/01/can-anabolic-steroids-be-used.html
Have you seen a doctor for it yet? I would explore physical therapy and other options before I throw drugs at the problem. You need to fix the underlying issues causing the problems first.
Yes I have been going to a hand specialist for months, got referred to an arthroscopic specialist to go to this friday. He may tell me I have tendonitis or he may go for the arthro and go in with a camera to see if there is some kind of damage in my wrist ligaments or in between the joints you could have a slight tear and need a debrigement, cutting out of damaged tissue which gets inflamed when used repetitiously. My other dr said it was tendonitis but I don't think so. I have a popping of the wrist and pain around the scaphoid joint, sharp pain, no swelling with overuse. The popping is a ligament symptom and not a tendon symptom. I'm just frustrated and preparing for the worst. It's been three years with pain and 6 months of dr's. There has to be a solution and I'm just going through my options.
If i could give two thumbs down on the responses i would. Every person has his or her own reasons why they want to use test and anabolic's.
Anabolic's have amazing recovery properties!!! That is why they are so effective!
333, you say test only... You didn't even read his post obviously...
Drock, your comment was absolutely worthless... Yes, That is exactly what the post said.
Back to the OP.
You have the right idea. Obviously you have done your research on this topic!
Eq increase's collageen synthesis by 340% and 270% Respectively.
Gh will be a great addition as well.
Var would be a great option as well! There are several studies done on this exact thing for patients needing rapid increase in collageen syn to enhance healing
Keep your test as low as possible. Just remember this being your first time ever taking anything. Your body will probably respond the most. I'm not sure on your stats. Just going off your post.
Remember you strength will increase greatly, so do not be tempted to push the limits. Just let that wrist recover.
Good luck bro
Wow man great response, thank you so much for the help! I'm debating on not working out at all, I don't think it will have any negative effects if I don't work out. It should work the same maybe even better as I won't incur any more damage to my wrist. I may do some legs but light weights, thank you for the advice and taking the time to help, GREATLY APPRECIATED. I don't have problems gaining muscle, great genetics actually. The only problem is my shoulder is also trashed from just too much time being a gym rat, otherwise I would probably be looking to make some nice gains, but whats the point. I can only do dips for chest so at this point best to just try to stay leaner and let the muscle I have show through and try to get and stay healthy.
Anytime bro. Looking into physical therapy stuff for your wrist and shoulder. That will put you in the right direction
Your right I soft read it but he still shouldn't be adding anything on a first cycle yes it is a cycle and I'm sure a doctor could give him something to help that would be safer then jumping strait in to aas but people do what they want I'm not anyone parent here we don't know his cholesterol or bp so telling him to jump on eq and say he has horrible blood pressure and then boom dude has a stroke or heart attack over wrist pain that isn't worth it that's all I'm saying
I'm 5'10"
200lbs
15% bfish
34 yrs.
Had some bloods done not too long ago for nutritional purposes, nothing out of range. But read the whole post and you'll be more informed on what I'm trying to do. I do appreciate your taking the time to comment.
For sure man I see what your going for but a aas isn't going to help like you think if it worked so well then doctors would just prescribe it to you aas are not a life changing drug after your pct you will probably be worse off good luck though man hope you find something that works for you
Again you didn't read his post or anything posted...
Even in my post it states that we do not know his stat's. He is just trying to get more information. But instead gets dumb ass comments about test only which reduces collagen synthesis. Then other asking what he is doing. when the op clearly stated what his intention was!
It's still a fucking cycle I also said ask a fucking doctor before and your telling him bullshit giving him the ok to just go ahead and run it. fuck it man run some tren as well why not deca and tren 2 19-nors is the best dude get over yourself there are better options then aas for it. 200-400 test and 400-600 eq is a fucking cycle and if you want him to run the shit he needs to run a test cycle before anything he doesn't need to shut himself down to maybe get some relief from eq or deca
There's absolutely zero clinical evidence supporting increased collagen synthesis in humans. I spent three months searching and found none. That quote is something that's been parroted around the internet so much that people just accept for truth. The 270% is in reference to deca. The only thing you could take from eq is realize it's used in racehorses whose tendons are exposed to extreme tension and their legs aren't snapping off.
You may be right, if you've seen the post about the whole collagen synthesis rates you know. I've seen it a couple of times so maybe more research is necessary. I haven't seen anything outside of bodybuilding forums that would suggest it is true. Thanks for your input though and everyone.
a whole three months huh... well good for you bud. That's a long time. Im proud of you!
Test only 500mg a week tops enanthate or cypionate long esters so less pinning that's what you need nothing else you never know you could get all whacked out in your head you need to test your body before you add anything
Yes 500 mg sounds high but I understand the dose and being first time. I'm not using this for muscle building though, so no need for levels that high.
You seriously want to do this to help with tendinitis in your wrist? Am I missing something here?
You mean the whole eq/deca collagen synthesis debate? I only want to run the eq and secretogogues to help with the type 1 and 3, but you have to run test for the shutdown. I have thought to only run the secretogogues but then wouldn't I only be aiding in type 3 production. Is this what you mean?