posted Mon, 08/27/2012 - 16:41
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First cycle questions
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Looking to do my first cycle of susanton 250 1amp for 10 weeks. Is this a good start to see how my body reacts to the test? And next question is will I need a pct for such a small amount per week? Thanks for any input
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I know just getting anxious. You know how us newbies are run down the hill an fuck one of them, while you'll walk down an fuck them all. Lol.. Going to put in an order tonight an just want to get everything now so I don't have to worry later. Quick question, if I order 2 10ml bottles of test e that should be enough for 12wks. An do I get the 250 or 400mg?
cdaddy7It's ok my man, I still get anxious and excited when It's cycle time, too. I was where u are at one time myself. Youre good. Very wise in following instruction to have all ur gear and ancillary. K now , u need to make sure to have enough for 12 weeks. A bottle of test e r Cyp @500mg/wk with a a 250mg/ml 10ml vial...u will need 3 bottles bc 2 will only last you 10wks bc u will use 2mls a week(250mg/ml x 2 = 500mg/2mls). U follow me on the math?... Now if the 400 is NOT a test blend...we do not want a blend for this cycle only enanthate or cypionate.....so back to if it is 400 of test e r Cyp u will only need 2 bottles....look real close at what your buying just because it says test doesn't mean It's the test u need....u follow me? Keep me posted on what kind it is a we will go from there
cdaddy7Get through your first cycle we outlined for you first and see how your body reacts to test only because prop/mast are great compounds but not on a first time or second cycle. U have plenty of time to reach your goals. Go to this link and i have a perfect cutting diet for you to use and also SuperDBAG has mad skillz in diet/nutrition if you need more options
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition...
Quick question, still doing a lot of research an was wondering if u guys could answer this for me?
Is test propionate an Masteron a good cutting cycle? An can they b stacked or used together if so what are the downfalls by using them?
Just looking to cut more then bulk after a test e only cycle.
Thanks
Well I'll have to wait on the blood test for a couple weeks. Was taking a test booster an the results will be inaccurate. They told me to come back in 3-4 weeks and it should be out of my system.
Did receive my susanton today in the mail. Not taking it until I find out some blood work. Dying to try it though.lol
cdaddy7I thought we agreed on the cycle below. Tell me your cycle plan with that sustanon
Don't have a cycle yet. Waiting on blood work to c my test levels an then go from there. I still need a pct an a anti estergen. Not looking to get huge, just bigger arms an a more ripped look. Still dialing in my diet.
cdaddy7Just so u know that sustanon is not a good first time cycle. The game plan that I gave u below is the way to go. I got a post for u to read on helping u with your diet/nutrition. Read this and see if it helps with dialing in ur diet
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition...
And this one why not to use sustanon first cycle
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-time-cycle-...
Awesome info. Looks like I'll save the sustanon for another cycle. could u pm me on a reliable place for the plan u talked about. Thanks
cdaddy7Vey simple cycle to yield you the gains in strength and muscle. Use Test E or Cyp for 12 weeks minimum for best results. The longer esters are best for first novice cycle. Leave the sustanon alone fornow and save it for another cycle down the road. This one compound cycle will let u and your body know just how u are going to react to gear. Follow the simple plan below and you will have a good little experience
Week 1-12 TEST Cyp or Enanthate @ 500mg/week split dose
AI of your choice Arimidix or aromisin (adex .25mg EOD--ar 12.5mg)on deck for issues
Start PCT 15 days after last shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
The biggest thing is the diet and you need 5000 cals minimum and 2-2.5g of protein x body wt to optimize muscle growth factor. Please make sure you have your gear, PCT and AI on hand before you start bc usually if you dont that's when something happens. Good luck to you bro. Hope I helped
Thanks for the reply. What one would be better for me, cyp or e.? I'm not following the clomid or nova, is that by percantage? 100/50/50?
Thanks
zewiC or E doesn't matter. But go with E
Clomid 100/100/50/50
is week 1, 100mg ED
is week 2, 100mg ED
is week 3, 50mg ED
is week 4, 50mg ED
Nova 40/40/20/20
is week 1, 40mg ED
is week 2, 40mg ED
is week 3, 20mg ED
is week 4, 20mg ED
Lol, oh ok. Well looks like I have to find a supplier for this. Only susanton I can get local, the others I have no clue were to get it. Any suggestions? These are taking after last dose right?
cdaddy715 days after last test injection
zewii added u as a friend send me a PM
cdaddy7How bout your diet and training? What are your goals? Need as much detail as we can get to help
tread-mAlright I see your info down there and don't really need the children listed unless they will bhe on cycle as well. in which case we have to start over and need their stats as well. Have they cycled before? : p
Ok to your questions, yes, with any test product even if derived you will shut the axis down and need pct to reBoot that as quick as possible post cycle or all your cycle benefit will melt away as you stay shutdown much longer not having nolva trying to spike that LH.
The thing you said that struck me as I look into the words, your diet is not in check. Be it building or cutting or just getting in good shape the driving force is food. The kitchen is the number one goal then we talk gym and rest and a distant last will be compounds. Reason being without the other things in place the gear is worthless.
I know many run sust first run but I might say go with cyp or E first given learning the test without all the flucuation you get with multi ester is hard enough. Throw in the multi situatiion and its hard for you to really get a grip on whas goling on and learn to use your compounds to manipulate you body. The other thing is l?earning any predispositin to estro/SHBG and are you gyno prone. This again is better served with a single ester.
At 38 you are near the age of the test drop off so I would like you to get bloods before you do anything. If you are a trt candidate and particularly if you levels were to be quite low cycles will be rough on you. Reason being, you will go from a low test that you spent years dropping to up to a mega high and what happens in those situations is, not only do you come out feeling like shit and have trouble holding the quality from the cycle, you feel even worse than before given the relative state.
Lets get bloods now and get this diet worked out on a 6 meal plan to fit the given goal then tgalk cycle. I'm not prpeared to waste your time or ours by writing one out for you, its not in yyour best interest until these other things are resolved.
Awsome info. No kids wont b on cycle. Lol. I'm getting 6 meals a day but throufj supplements. Lots of protein drinks an bars.
I work 10hrs a day 6 days a week so kinda hard to get 6 great meals a day.
My calorie intake is around 2500 a day. I have no health insurance so blood work would b hard to get done
I've already dropped 30lbs of fat just can't get rid of the reast. Have a four pack not a six. Lol
My goals is to get a good 6 pack an gain some musle mass. I'm kinda skinnny now since losing all the fat.still have some man boobs left. Lol. Thought a cycle would help get rid of the extra pounds an bulk a little. Not looking to b a giant. Sorry on my phone typnig sucks. Thanks
tread-mYou have a lot wrong brother so I'm glad you are so willing to learn. Fist up we can get you bloods through an online service for cheap, as low as 60 bucks. They are essential to you. Next let me say, you have to find a way to pack some foood. The 6 meals "mostly supps" is not going to get you there. The man boobs thing, yes test may help but that kitchen has to be dialed and as we do get you cycle ready I want aromasin low dose in your roll the whole cycle and letro on hand. With "man boobs" you are predispoed to gyno and may actually hav e some "female breast tissue" already. This can be a problem. For now we need the bloods to see where that test is. If you were to be a trt candidate you are much better off going trt and good kitchen and gym work for a few months low dosing test u til the fat issue around the chest is resolved. Privatemdlabs, look for the "female panel" which is cheaper because it already includes estrogen check which is very important. You could even have some high estro and normal test contributing to man boobs and thats a pretty easy fix, it happens. For now lets get bloods and talk about a way we can get some chicken and maybe home made jerky red meat, turkey whatever packed in for the work trip. Even 15 grams of protein via shake will be better with a few ounces of lean jerky if in a pinch. Not store bought though its loaded with salt which will cause you to carry water running test. Bloods now though this really is very important to you. Check that site and maybe as low as 60 bucks with a promo. "Female panel"..we need that estro and test.
Flank steak,is also,part of my diet at least three times a week. Also what is aromasin an Letro? Trt is what agian? I'm learning bro. Thanks.
tread-mTrt is low dose replacement therapy. Thats a discusiion too far ahead of bloods but I won't just bang you out a cycle until we see the bloods. Too close to the trt age and I like to know whats going on in your body. Your test may be great now but we need to know. In the cycle itself you want low dose aromasin, the l?etro will be on hand in case we have a gyno outbreak. Lumps for gyno is not necessarily there if you have an gyno tissue from puberty. May just be as you sat from the rapid weight loss but bloods is where we begin here for the age brother it really is. Lets gwt you diagnosed before we start pounding down test , gives us a nice roadmap and we plan with absolutes as opposed to guesses...make sense?
I also noticed that homeboy said 5000 calories a day, I'm at 2100 now won't I get fat again with so many calories? An said 2.5grams a lb of body weight, I'm doing about 200 grams a day, is that not enough? Maybe I need to change my diet an consume more, but then I'll have to do more cardio? I don't fucking know. Confused now
tread-mHe has yyou in "build mode" but brother I'm more about rebuild mode and we do that starting with bloods. You're not 25 so there has to be undestanding of your situation here before we just jump in. I agree with cdaddy 99% of the time watching him and zewi as far as that goes but I've been 38 before and think I have a better direction for you here. That won't be jumping into 5000 cals because it does not fit your current goal. One steo at a time and we get to thatg place if you like but its putting the cart before the horse IMO.
Ok cool, was tripping for a min. Don't want to b fat again.lol going to make some calls on getting bloodwork done, so I'll know something by tomorrow. Thanks agian for all the help.
Ok cool, was tripping for a min. Don't want to b fat again.lol going to make some calls on getting bloodwork done, so I'll know something by tomorrow. Thanks agian for all the help.
tread-mGood good...check that website if need be brother they should have a lab working with them near you in the network. Won't take long for results then we have a game plan. I'd like to make sure you're not a trt candidate bec,ause if you are then I have a nice little plan to offer. Either way, we can help you even if test is fine and we roll the cdaddy plan up top, nice and simple.
Will try to get blood work done this week. Would a local doctor do it or a physician?
Makes great sense. Don't want to freak out on the family or have a rage. Or grow big boobs or lose my nuts lol.
Any suggestions on a place to get the right stuff. Can only get susanton locally.
Wow, u seem to know your shit. Thanks a lot. My man boobs are from too much fat I think. When I started a yr ago I was 220 and all fat, was a size 40 now I'm a 34. I don't have no hard lumps in the breat area, which is something people told me to look for. But I could b wrong. I will check into getting blood work done since it seems pretty important. Right now I am taking 3 servings of whey protein from body fortress at 52 grams a serving. Taking a creatine pill 3x aday too. I am eating a lot of skinless chicken at least 5 times a week. Also fish is part of my diet, perch, shrimp an tilapia. With a lot of greens that I steam. Asparagus, broccoli, greens beans, corn and Brussels..... I do,use a omega 3 fatty acid supplement too once a day, with a multivitamin. I am just finishing compound 20 supplement from usplabs, but didn't really see anything from it. An some thermogenics pre workout to help me sweat more. Anything else I need to,do or change? Thanks again
zewiwhy are you just taking 250mg a week? And yes you need a PCT cause your Testis will shut down.
Sorry all my stats r on my introduction page.
But 6ft 190 an about 13-15% bf. Been working out for a yr.
Stuck at same size for awhile an looking for a kick. Or an edge.
tread-mStats are not on page brother so age is important for us. Can you help a Nooka help a Nooka? Have you not seen the commercial where Sarah sings in the arms of an Angel while they show needy animals? Won't you help today?
Lol. I'm 38.
zewiAge?
I'm 38 married with 2 kids. Was at 220 last yr. Down to 190. Not on a perfect diet either. Hard to commet due to work.
not sure i understand the point of doing 250mg per week of test as a cycle. probably not worth disrupting your natural testosterone production to just replace (or slightly elevate) your test levels.
Supernova28380mg of week is the tippy top range produced in a week. 250mg would be 3 times that amount.
Also it seems you failed to mention anything about an AI or PCT. You're going to want both if you're planning to run a cycle.
Edit: That second sentence is targeted to OP by the way. I reread it and it kinda sounds like I'm still talking to the guy I replied to.
So a susanton250 would b a good start for first cycle to c how my body reacts
Always pct!! Hell, I pct after creatine lol (not really)
cdaddy7Stats and cycle history as tread requested and to answer your question PCT ALWAYS REQUIRED!!!
tread-mTheres no way you're doing any reading here Mike or you would know, stats/age first brother. I don't want to have to do the work for you and go to your page...lay it down my man and lets help a brother out!
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