First cycle, multiple compounds: worst case scenario?
I recently started a thread asking a question about gyno, and quickly found that my particular first cycle choice wasn't looked upon very favorably. I knew a good portion of individuals in this and other communities felt that way ahead of time, but it leads me to an interesting question.
If I could ask this rather bluntly, but hopefully still be respectful: you're not supposed to do multiple compounds at first because you can't tell which is affecting you in what way. I understand that fully. Now my question is simply: why does that matter? I'm genuinely asking, for the record. Everyone says don't, but no one gives a worst case scenario if you do.
Hypothetical extreme scenario: If I got a truly horrific side effect from a compound, let's say the solutions were to aggravate an unknown but existing heart defect. Would it truly matter what caused it? In that scenario I would likely stop the cycle and initiate PCT under supervision of a doctor to prolong my life.
Hypothetical mild scenario: I initiate genetically predisposed male pattern baldness and start shedding hair. It only happens to those who are already predisposed, so any androgen would eventually activate it. And furthermore it would have happened eventually anyway.
Am I wrong about either of those hypothetical scenarios, and if so why?
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Simply put by being on one compound from the start you'll know what sides effect you from that particular compound. For instance, test e. A common beginner steroid. You'll run a 12 wk cycle draw bloods accordingly and adjust AI's when need be that is if sides come up. But I'm talking estro sides rather than cosmetic like acne or oily skin, even loss of hair. I'm talking gyno, lethargy, mood swings, etc. These are ugly sides no one likes but most everyone everyone experiences their first several cycles. Then after two test only cycles throw in a kicker. Dbol, even test prop or sust, tbol, proviron or var. Not all at once but one at a time. Then build up. You'll begin to know how these compounds effect your body. But you must monitor it closely with routine bloods! So in two words it DOES MATTER how many compounds you use when starting aas. The endo and repro systems are sensitive and will be effected immensely. You may get away with Dbol but even then you'll be shocked at the quick changes in your body and I'm not talking muscle wise but bloating, lack of endurance, rapid strength gain that can hurt the immature user. It's your body, treat it well.
You are in the process of figuring that out. If you abort the cycle now, and begin to.grasp.the concept of AAS use, you will be able to look back on this situation and feel good about yourself knowing you listened and learned something, rather than questioning and using trial and error. Life isnt a game and neither is what you are doing...
I like to think I've learned something from every comment thus far, but I'm always one to question. I'd make a terrible soldier because I would need to know why I was doing something and the complications of that decision.
Or to use an analogy put forth by a lot of science-fiction films: the people of a closed community say don't go outside the walls. Never outside the walls, bad things will happen. But what are those things?they rarely specify, it's all generalized. Is it radiation poisoning? Monsters? Aliens? That's essentially the nature of this topic. Realizing that something is a poor idea is one thing, but understanding the elements that make it a bad idea, that seems more beneficial.
Do you believe you have, or are you still needing to do more research?
Worst case scenario you end up all sorts of fucked up physically and mentaly... what kind of question is this man? This stuff isnt a game "oh I'll just stop the compounds" you're nuts bud! I did this shit at age 19 and fucked my life up. Granted you are older than 19 but fuck dude. You got a double or nothing attitude going on here its not safe.
The thing about running aas cycles is that we would all love them to be side effect free all the time everytime. The reality is that at different points in time for multiple factors,side effects are going to bite. The point about running test only to start and then to build your experience slowly adding new compounds is to give you the opportunity to manage whatever side effect you get and be prepared through proper planning and research. If you are running multiple compounds and something happens how would you know what to do? Where would you start? It's easy to use mild or sever extreme example to say hey this should be ok because I would just stop or continue but what about the stuff in between? How would you know? Should you stop your cycle if you woke up one morning with lactating breasts for example? Could you/would you seek medical attention then? An experienced user would have planned for this, be monitoring blood work and in tune with their body such that this wouldn't happen in the first place and if it does he would know what do to about it. In the case of someone inexperienced they could find themselves up shits creek without a paddle very quickly. Often you will see guys posting about sides on complex stacks they had no business running and it's up to the community to help get them out of the mess.
Ah now this is very close to hitting the nail on the head. These are the sort of details I'm looking for, the nitty gritty fine details that fall in between scenarios. But more specifically, what is the stuff in between?
While I know that not all aas are created equal; some having different side effects to others, some have differing effects based on the individual, their levels and genetic history. Is it safe to say that they typically don't differ too radically? For instance if one compound were to give me heart palpitations, isn't there a strong chance other, similar ones would as well?
I suppose my mindset has always been one of something will definitely happen, and either be correctable or I'd just have to stop cycling entirely. Either you power through and find a solution by adjusting (in the case of something minor, like acne) or you walk away (gradually, Doctor-supervised) if it's something like an inevitable heart attack or stroke.
The point here is the stuff in between is where it matters most and it WILL be different for everyone, dependent on the compound(s) used, doses, ancillaries run, underlying medical issues etc. Even just because you react one way to a compound doesn't mean you will always react that way. It WILL change. That is one of the reasons test only is recommended for the first few runs as it allows you to play with dose, esters and how you manage any estro sides for example.
If you're running multiple compounds and you start to get a side effect simply reducing the dose and/or stopping the new compound allows you to test how you respond and make appropriate and considered decisions. If you're running three compounds off the bat and get a host of sides what would you do? How would you mange this. Just walking away mid is one options but I would want to give myself as much chance as possible to figure it out and stay on cycle. The other aspect to this is research. The more time one spends thinking about and planning cycles and participating in the community the better research base and connections they will build themselves allowing them to better and more quickly understand side effects and their management.
There is no laundry list of steroids with more/less severe side effects. We do know that some compounds are for example lot hapatoxic than others, others may raise hematocrit and red blood cell count to dangerous levels, others can cause insomnia. The list goes on.
Start slow and spend your time researching and taking to the folk here. You're note going to find anyone saying it's ok to run stacks for the first few cycles.
OP's other thread FYI
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/first-cycle-...
Thanks, Catalyst, I had intended to link that in the first paragraph but forgot somewhere along the way! In all likelihood because I was rather tired, and still am, ha.