First Cycle, Little Concerned
Stats
Age: 34
H: 6'0
Weight: 229
BF: 14%-16%
Cals: 3500/day. 240g protein/day, with a pretty even split of carb to fat. No sugar.
This is my first cycle, and I'm looking for advice feedback specifically on what I'm doing, or should be doing.
I started at 170lbs, worked out most of my life, but never had very high T. I've spent the last year trying to up my levels, and got a blood test recently that showed serum test at 223 (the low end of the scale is 348 to be considered "normal"). So I decided to run a cycle.
GOALS
Gain 10lbs of loyal muscle weight.
I'm running:
- 500mg Test E, split over two shots a week
- Start AI as needed (I got aromasin, adex, and letro on hand. Will start aromasin if needed when estrogen rises. I'll get tested via female hormone panel at week 5 and go from there)
I have nova and clomid for PCT, along with HCG.
12 week cycle for the test, will begin HCG and PCT week 13.
Specific questions:
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I'm on week 3, and I've already noticed some changes. Libido is through the roof, more than I can ever really remember. I've already gained 8lbs, most of which appears to be water weight. Normal?
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Balls have already shrunk. I anticipated this happening, but not so soon. I'd say I've lost 20% of volume already, which is unnerving just because it happened so quickly. Again, normal? I know they should plump back up with the HCG, but what is realistic to expect? I mean, is there going to be anything left at 12 weeks lol?
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Also noticed changes in attitude - more aggression, easily annoyed, thinking about sex even when not meaning to (mind just goes there), and more vascularity. I guess I'm surprised that this is all happening so quickly, I thought that long esters took a while to kick in and see any results.
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I know the traditional thought is to take off as much time as you're on, however, with my T being low anyway is there a big benefit in taking time off? I'm not interested in ever doing tons of different compounds, I don't want/need to compete, I just want to be big, strong, and healthy. I plan on just sticking with Test and maybe a prop kicker for the first several cycles, get used to balancing estrogen and seeing how my body reacts over time.
Any feedback is very appreciated. Reading thru eroids is now my new nightly pass time, tons of great knowledge here.
Gratefully,
Joshua
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At that natty test range i would not run a cycle. It will be hard as fuck to recover being that low already. I would have seen a doc to see if you can get those numbers rebooted and if not, trt is in the future.
"rebooted"...from what I understand, docs prescribe TRT for low test. Androgel, or some other form of external test. Am I missing something?
Before you would make final decision to do trt, they can do a clomid protocol which may get your numbers up.
My doc has me on a stack of specific fertility vitamins( probably because he gets blown by the sales rep to sell them) and also 50mg clomid 3xwk for fertility purposes. I had a non aas fertility issue (a vericocle, basically my balls were to vascular so they made my swimmers hot and lazy) ... Anyway... Cut the veins out, and took the clomid. My pre surgery test (mind you this is after many cycles and proper PCT's ) was 540. 4 months later on the clomid 880!!! And I felt good ... I dont buy this clomid makes me cry shit. Anyway studies show it's fine to use as a trt, just keep an eye on Estro.
Oh, and I got my wife pregnant ! So off the clomid and back on gear for now.
Nice to have a clomid script tho
Very interesting and of course congratulations are in order. My wife and I are going to try from March next year. It will give me a chance to be fully off cycle and PCT for about 6 months. Whenever I PCT I always recover to base for me which is about 520. Now this has got me thinking of running Clomid for longer perhaps until she's pregnant as you have. How long were you on Clomid for before your numbers went to high 800?
Only 3 months.
After you get pct bloods done, get a seman analysis... Even if you have to come out of pocket, just for peace of mind to know its all working. doc's generally won't prescribe the seman analysis unless you have been trying for a year with no luck.....fuck that. I had to have surgery, but I'm glad I had the test otherwise we would have been trying and trying with no luck.
Even if all is in order, the clomid won't hurt the conception process. Doc also had me on l-caratine, l-arginine, zinc, and also I took speeman by himilaya naturals same company that makes liv-52.
Sorry for kinda hijacking the original post.
Cheers fella. Thanks for the advice and additional info. Wife and I (she doesn't use anything) have both agreed we're doing full fertility checks so semen analysis is definitely happening. I'll send your a FR in case I have any questions down the line and to give this thread back +1
Sent ya a FR When you get a chance please
Accepted. Pm sent
Shit works! I wish i went the clomid route when i knew i had low t before just jumping in.
I will continue to cycle, pct, do the clomid protocol until we are done having kids. Then I will blast & cruise.
I honestly don't know where this clomid makes me cry shit comes from... I have never felt it. Yeah, it will raise E along with T, but just take some adex or even a OTC like eradicate or pes and you'll be fine.
I was defiantly making good gains on 3xwk clomid ... Got my T to 880... That's pretty good
When i found at 30 i had t level at 280 and all signs imaginable. I was just never told let's try this, it was just straight test cyp and adex.
Lucky my T was in the high 500's....do you know if trt has affected fertility ?? Count/volume/motility etc?
Never checked but went in not wanting kids so ..
Yeah, that changes things.
I have always been big on doing proper pct because I wanted kids.
Had post cycle bloods, everything g2g.
Basically had to strong arm the doc for a seman analysis, that's when the vericocle was discovered. When I first saw my sperm motility was next to nothing, my mind instantly went to the "I fucked myself up." Turns out a simple surgery fixed it all and a baby is on the way
Ahh...gotcha. Thank you, didn't realize that was an option.
Yes for those who don't want to pin for the rest of their lives, that's the first fix.
Under your "specific question " heading... It's probably all placebo effect. After 3 weeks the enthante is barely building. Attitude & ball shrinkage is almost certainly placebo.
Also your pct should start 2 weeks after last test shot, and you should add nolva in there and a low dose of aromasin can also help in pct
If it's all placebo, then I've never given Placebo it's due. It'd be kinda life-changing...if I can change the size of my balls subconsciously, then there's a lot of life I can change.
Thank you for the feedback on pct. much appreciated.
Bro... It's in your head... Unless you're measuring your balls and have concluded that they are 20% smaller.
I've done plenty of cycles, and barley ever visually noticed a size change